Ultimate One-Ton HD Challenge: And the Winner Is …

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Determining how to calculate our winner is never easy with a gigantic test like this. Combining all of our test data with the diverse opinions we gather from our judges makes putting it together almost a no-win situation. If we bias toward the empirical tests, then real-world characteristics like livability, comfort and interior design get shortchanged, and if we let subjective opinions rule the day, we miss the value of engine and chassis performance, and leave ourselves open to criticism.

That's why we've tried to offer both in this Challenge, in as transparent a format as possible, so that you can see how we collected the data, scored the events and weighted the head-to-head competitions. It was our hope that, by doing so, no matter which truck we crowned the winner, you got a chance to look at all the categories, see which ones are important to you and recalculate your own weighting of the events so that you can crown your own winner (if need be). We hope it's understood that the reason we do this type of testing is to equip you with as much information as possible so you can make the best choice when purchasing your next pickup truck. And if we have to suffer long days, coordinate truck and trailer schedules, and tow several thousand miles through some of the most beautiful country in the U.S. to bring you the results of these Challenges, so be it.

How We Did It

Of the 19 empirical tests that we conducted — which included everything from quarter-mile times at a drag strip to how much each one-ton squatted with its gooseneck weight — eight of them were won by the 2015 GMC Sierra 3500 HD and seven were won by the 2015 Ford F-350. In fact, when looking at the point totals for the quantitative section, the Ford and GMC were virtually tied, with a statistical difference between them of 0.3 percent. The 2014 Ram 3500 HD won just four events because we did several tests that rewarded off-the-line speed and quickness, something the Ram Cummins has always struggled with.

In the qualitative scoring section from our judges, the Ram had the most points, finishing in first or second place with each expert and winning the section by 40 points over the GMC. However, in the end, the GMC is our winner with the highest combined point total in one of our most comprehensive competitions to date, beating both of its competitors by a solid margin.

 

First Place: 2015 GMC Sierra 3500 HD Duramax

IMG_2846a IIEmpirical score, 1,792 points; judges' score, 1,500 points; total, 3,292 points

The 2015 GMC Sierra 3500 HD pickup equipped with the turbo-diesel engine won our 2014 Ultimate One-Ton HD Challenge.

The GMC, although the least expensive truck in our test, offered the smoothest and most comfortable ride over many uncomfortable road surfaces. The Duramax turbo-diesel and Allison 1000 transmission deliver power fast off the line, providing monster amounts of torque to the rear wheels quickly and forcefully.

Although much of our time was spent towing, one of the Sierra 3500's greatest strengths is how well it performs when empty; in fact, it won both empty tests we ran at the Milan Dragway (the zero-to-60-mph and quarter-mile tests), as well as stopping the fastest when empty during our brake test at GM's Milford Proving Ground. Interestingly, the GMC was the our mileage champ when towing our heavy loads, winning the fuel economy test (with a 16,000-pound trailer in tow) in Michigan; we should also note that during our unofficial mpg calculation running from Las Vegas to Denver, the GMC (towing a 20,000-pound trailer) averaged about 10 mpg while the Ford and Ram hovered around 7 and 8 mpg, respectively.

Our judges hugely appreciated the all-new interior and multimedia interface and 8-inch navigation screen, as well as the all-new (identical to the light duty) scrolling information screen. Although it took some getting used to, the trailer brake controller (mounted high on the dash on the left side of the steering wheel) works quite well. We also appreciated how well the upgraded exhaust brake performs, making it easier for those who might have little towing experience to tow heavier loads. The new, smarter and more sophisticated system will make towing near the limits a much easier chore for customers. There will be plenty of fifth-wheel and gooseneck haulers who will tow safer with the "set-it-and-forget-it" feature.

In the end, the GMC was the best all-around player of our competitors, scoring well in just about every category, racking up the points by the competition's finish.

 

Second Place: 2014 Ram 3500 HD Cummins

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Empirical score, 1,681 points; judges' score, 1,540 points; total, 3,221 points

The Ram 3500 was the most expensive of our test vehicles, tipping the scales at just less than $70,000, coming to us in full Laramie Limited dress with rich leather and stunning dash, gauge and console accents. The Ram won four of our competitive events, but those did not include any best acceleration times. A surprise to us, the Ram won the empty fuel economy testing we conducted in Michigan with a winning around-town average of 16.31 mpg. The other three events it won were all brake tests; two with the trailer, stopping from 60 mph (one with trailer brakes, one without) and the downhill exhaust brake testing we did at Davis Dam.

At the end of our empirical tests, the Ram HD was within 100 points of the GMC; however, after our experts weighed in with their favorite features and pickup characteristics, the Ram was even closer. One of the most polarizing aspects of the Ram is its Cummins engine and all-new Aisin transmission in that it shifts, sounds and distributes power like its big-rig cousins. In fact, it seems as though Ram engineers have made sure the software programs don't allow too much of the B-motor's torque to get to the rear axle too fast. But once it got moving, it was never far behind the Ford or GMC, as evidenced by the Davis Dam and Eisenhower wide-open-throttle grade runs.

As to features that our judges liked, the interior ranks right at the top as one of the best-looking cabs we've ever seen. Also, the dual-setting Smart Brake and dedicated diesel exhaust fluid gauge were hugely appreciated throughout our run through the Rockies. However, we noted during a summer downpour that the windshield wipers were not fast enough to give us clear vision and as near as we could tell, the Ram's DEF usage was about two or three times worse than the others (counting our fill-ups, the GMC used 2 gallons, the Ford 3 gallons and the Ram 6.5 gallons.). Our final quibble with the Ram HD had to do with how much noise the engine, electric fans and even the exhaust brake make. We appreciate a solid big-rig sound as much as anyone, but over our long haul we eventually got tired of it.

 

Third Place: 2015 Ford F-350 Power Stroke

IMG_3801a IIEmpirical score, 1,786 points; judges' score, 1,410 points; total, 3,196 points

It's difficult not to be impressed with the changes Ford has made to the 2015 Ford Power Stroke engine. The new turbo adds cooling, a bigger torque converter, software remapping and unique injectors, which combine to give this truck impressive off-the-line and midrange towing power without sacrificing overall fuel economy. Having the biggest torque and horsepower numbers clearly is important in this category, and Ford made the investment to get the king-of-the-hill 440 horsepower and 860 pounds-feet of torque. And it paid off in several of our tests. The Power Stroke dominated our acceleration and hill-climb tests, winning just about every zero-to-60-mph and quarter-mile run we set up. It even did incredibly well in our biggest exhaust brake tests, scoring light-years ahead of where they were the last time we tested a one-ton Ford Super Duty turbo-diesel.

Most of the issues we had with this 2015 Super Duty had to do with ride quality and interior design. Sure, you can discount the latter to individual taste, but our test vehicle struggled in places the other two did not, suffering from "the jitters" over expansion joints or small potholes in uncomfortable ways (particularly on the bad highways north of Flagstaff, Ariz.). We'd also like to see the F-350 do less squatting and less "butt-dragging" when loaded or towing. It's a characteristic that exists across the entire lineup. Additionally, the interior is not aging well, especially when compared to the levels both GM and Ram HD are playing at nowadays.

Finally, we should note, that even though the F-350 came in third (and we're not apologizing for Ford here), the difference between first and third place, out of more than 3,000 points, was less than 100 points. Not matter what their final finishing order, we'd like to say congratulations to all the one-ton competitors in our 2014 Ultimate Heavy-Duty Challenge.

How We Scored

To find our winner, we broke down our heavy-duty torture test into two separate weeks, creating 19 different scored events that made up our numbers-heavy quantitative section. That amounted to almost 2,000 available points, with the winner of each event being awarded 100 points. The second- and third-place finishers received whatever percentage their finishing time, distance or speed justified (i.e., if the winner stopped in 125 feet, it got 100 points; a second place of 150 feet would generate 83 points and a last place of 175 feet would get 71 points).

To the scores from those 19 events we added our judges' qualitative scores. The judges were Aaron Bragman, Cars.com Detroit bureau chief; Kent Sundling, operator of MrTruck.com; and Mark Williams, PickupTrucks.com editor. These three drivers, because of their experience and certification, were the only drivers of the one-ton truck-and-trailer combinations. Each judge rated these pickups in six categories: performance, comfort and ergonomics, tech and entertainment, ride quality, overall visibility and value. Each judge determined how many points to award each truck on a 100-point scale. In the end, the empirical tests (19) accounted for about two-thirds of the total, with our experts' qualitative scoring accounting for the remaining one-third (for a total of 25 separate test categories).

Editor's note: We'd like to thank RaceLogic for collecting much of our test data, to GM for the use of its proving grounds, to Roush and Load Trail for the use of its heavy-duty trailers and to the editors at Cars.com who helped and supported PickupTrucks.com in putting together this monster comparison test.

To download an image with all the results of each event, their corresponding scores and our judges' totals, click here

Cars.com image by Evan Sears

 

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Overview | Milan Dragway | Fuel Economy | Milford Hill Climb | Milford Braking | Davis Dam | Davis Braking | Eisenhower Pass | Eisenhower Braking | Results

Comments

The reason why it was the lowest was because it had the lowest bed height of the three to begin with. So of course the back end will be the lowest like they stated if it was that way to begin with. The Ford's beck end was over 4 inches shorter than the Ram's unloaded, but was only a little over 2 and a half inches shorter when loaded. This means that if all the trucks bed heights were the same then the coil spring suspension would have squat the most. However, each trucks bed heights were not the same (which is not because of the leaf springs) so it is a no brainer the truck with the lowest bed unloaded has the lowest bed loaded. Ford does need to address this by making their bed height higher like the other two so the truck will be more level like the other two with less weight being shifted to the rear.


Ford F350 - 90 points
unloaded bed height: 35.25 
loaded bed height: 32.13
difference: 3.62

GM 3500 - 100 points
unloaded bed height: 37.5
loaded bed height: 34.25

Ram 3500 - 68 points
unloaded bed height: 39.5
loaded bed height: 34.75
difference: 4.75

Anyways, back to what I was wanting to discuss.

@ Mark Williams

I have a question.

In the Milan Dragway portion of the test, you hooked up each truck to a 15,920 lb trailer (15,960 lbs for the GM) to run a 0-60 test. In that test the Ford did it in 23.08 seconds, the GM did it in 26.65 seconds, and the Ram did it in 28.16 seconds. That 15,920 lbs trailer was only 67% of the Ford's rated tow weight, 68% of the Ram's rated tow weight, and 70% of the GM's rated tow weight.

If I am not mistaken, one of the requirements for the J2807 is that each truck has to pull their rated tow weight from 0-60 in less than 30 seconds.

My question is this. If it took the Ram over 28 seconds to tow only 68%(15,920lbs) of it's rated weight, then how can it tow the additional 7,340 lbs that it is supposedly J2807 rated for with less than 2 seconds to spare? In fact, all of them would look a little off. Am I correct that the 0-60 requirement is 30 seconds? 

2012 Powerstroke vs 2001 Duramax, some things, NEVER change, like a Rock Baby.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ng8AjsJm4Y

The Duramax/Allison combo has used from the beginning the same rear axle ratio of 3.73 unlike ford and dodge offering lower geared axles to claim their best towing package. This test shows what each truck is capable of with this one standard axle ratio being used.

A lower 4.10, 4.30 or even 4.56 gear will help you get going easier but will limit your fuel economy on the open hi way at cruise speed and spin the rpm's up the scale faster but limit your overall top speed. You would need more gears in your transmission to compensate for this.

Dodge Cummins, GIT R DONE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnxIkamWMOU

@zviera - if you are going to accuse someone of asking "stupit" questions at least try to spell it correctly.

@Lou
Sorry Lou, it was done on purpose . I wasn't sure I can write stupid in this forum, that moderator is not gonna delete that. It's bad habit from other forums , where it's deleted automatically.
It won't happen again. I promise, but I am sure other people got it and they are not that stupid.

Congratulations to GM on this shootout. Seems all the predictions from the usual ram fanatics was a bit way too premature.
Needless to say the real winner is what sells., Its not GM and its not ram. Let me save the foaming at the mouth crowd from carpal tunnel flair ups and renewed hemorrhoid discomfort in trying to play the paper tiger crying about" fleet sales" - it is a bogus argument. It is units sold at the end of the day that matters. Ford is profitable, the other two not so much, and that's the facts Jack

@FXDX1450
There is less profit on Fleet sale than on Retail sale. That's fact.

@zviera - done on purpose?

That was..........

well.................

like you lying about your door tag.........................

It was a deliberate joke................

yeah........................ that's it............................ a joke..

@Lou
Stop writing like Alzheimer. This is PUTC not a retirement dating site.

@zviera...

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@FXDX1450

"crying about" fleet sales" - it is a bogus argument. It is units sold at the end of the day that matters."


Those guys are going to cry about because Ram is not number one at it. Only things that Ram is number one is good to them, and anything Ram is not number one at gets discredited by them. Hell, I even seen them discredit Consumer Reports when GM was the "top pick" saying it was a worthless award that meant nothing then turn right around the following when Ram wins the most car like "top pick" touting how great Consumer Reports was.

You are right, it is numbers sold that matters, and what those buffoons are too ignorant to understand is that whatever GP Ford looses on the sell of a fleet truck, they more then make up for it in parts and service. This why a lot of the Ford GM and Ram dealerships down here are tripping over each other to get the fleet business down here in the oilfields. Those trucks will get used and abused, and will need a lot of parts and preventative maintenance work through out it's lifetime. Anyone who sells those trucks will reap the rewards of it on the back end like most dealers and makes who cater to fleets do.

Just let them cry about and call them "fleet queens". It makes me smile every time they say it. I know deep down they wish they had that title because there is no way Ram (or any makes) could be the number one in truck sales without a big chunk of fleet sales. It just ain't gonna happen no matter what those cry babies want to tell themselves.

@Lou BC

For zviera it is TSL as in.....

Truth as a
Second
Language.

@ALL1 - true or

E... extremely

S... stupid

L... liar

LOL

Sorry - laugh out loud.

@LowAll1
Are you still mad , that I didn't overload my truck?
You should let your assumptions go and hold on facts finally.

@Lou BC

Oh, I like that one even better. It fits him perfectly.

@All1
At least something makes you happy if 3/4 and 1 ton tests didn't. I would't want to be in your shoes right now.



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Ultimate One-Ton HD Challenge: And the Winner Is …

Posted by Mark Williams | August 18, 2014



Determining how to calculate our winner is never easy with a gigantic test like this. Combining all of our test data with the diverse opinions we gather from our judges makes putting it together almost a no-win situation. If we bias toward the empirical tests, then real-world characteristics like livability, comfort and interior design get shortchanged, and if we let subjective opinions rule the day, we miss the value of engine and chassis performance, and leave ourselves open to criticism.

That's why we've tried to offer both in this Challenge, in as transparent a format as possible, so that you can see how we collected the data, scored the events and weighted the head-to-head competitions. It was our hope that, by doing so, no matter which truck we crowned the winner, you got a chance to look at all the categories, see which ones are important to you and recalculate your own weighting of the events so that you can crown your own winner (if need be). We hope it's understood that the reason we do this type of testing is to equip you with as much information as possible so you can make the best choice when purchasing your next pickup truck. And if we have to suffer long days, coordinate truck and trailer schedules, and tow several thousand miles through some of the most beautiful country in the U.S. to bring you the results of these Challenges, so be it.

How We Did It

Of the 19 empirical tests that we conducted — which included everything from quarter-mile times at a drag strip to how much each one-ton squatted with its gooseneck weight — eight of them were won by the 2015 GMC Sierra 3500 HD and seven were won by the 2015 Ford F-350. In fact, when looking at the point totals for the quantitative section, the Ford and GMC were virtually tied, with a statistical difference between them of 0.3 percent. The 2014 Ram 3500 HD won just four events because we did several tests that rewarded off-the-line speed and quickness, something the Ram Cummins has always struggled with.

In the qualitative scoring section from our judges, the Ram had the most points, finishing in first or second place with each expert and winning the section by 40 points over the GMC. However, in the end, the GMC is our winner with the highest combined point total in one of our most comprehensive competitions to date, beating both of its competitors by a solid margin.



First Place: 2015 GMC Sierra 3500 HD Duramax

Empirical score, 1,792 points; judges' score, 1,500 points; total, 3,292 points

The 2015 GMC Sierra 3500 HD pickup equipped with the turbo-diesel engine won our 2014 Ultimate One-Ton HD Challenge.

The GMC, although the least expensive truck in our test, offered the smoothest and most comfortable ride over many uncomfortable road surfaces. The Duramax turbo-diesel and Allison 1000 transmission deliver power fast off the line, providing monster amounts of torque to the rear wheels quickly and forcefully.

Although much of our time was spent towing, one of the Sierra 3500's greatest strengths is how well it performs when empty; in fact, it won both empty tests we ran at the Milan Dragway (the zero-to-60-mph and quarter-mile tests), as well as stopping the fastest when empty during our brake test at GM's Milford Proving Ground. Interestingly, the GMC was the our mileage champ when towing our heavy loads, winning the fuel economy test (with a 16,000-pound trailer in tow) in Michigan; we should also note that during our unofficial mpg calculation running from Las Vegas to Denver, the GMC (towing a 20,000-pound trailer) averaged about 10 mpg while the Ford and Ram hovered around 7 and 8 mpg, respectively.

Our judges hugely appreciated the all-new interior and multimedia interface and 8-inch navigation screen, as well as the all-new (identical to the light duty) scrolling information screen. Although it took some getting used to, the trailer brake controller (mounted high on the dash on the left side of the steering wheel) works quite well. We also appreciated how well the upgraded exhaust brake performs, making it easier for those who might have little towing experience to tow heavier loads. The new, smarter and more sophisticated system will make towing near the limits a much easier chore for customers. There will be plenty of fifth-wheel and gooseneck haulers who will tow safer with the "set-it-and-forget-it" feature.

In the end, the GMC was the best all-around player of our competitors, scoring well in just about every category, racking up the points by the competition's finish.



Second Place: 2014 Ram 3500 HD Cummins

Empirical score, 1,681 points; judges' score, 1,540 points; total, 3,221 points

The Ram 3500 was the most expensive of our test vehicles, tipping the scales at just less than $70,000, coming to us in full Laramie Limited dress with rich leather and stunning dash, gauge and console accents. The Ram won four of our competitive events, but those did not include any best acceleration times. A surprise to us, the Ram won the empty fuel economy testing we conducted in Michigan with a winning around-town average of 16.31 mpg. The other three events it won were all brake tests; two with the trailer, stopping from 60 mph (one with trailer brakes, one without) and the downhill exhaust brake testing we did at Davis Dam.

At the end of our empirical tests, the Ram HD was within 100 points of the GMC; however, after our experts weighed in with their favorite features and pickup characteristics, the Ram was even closer. One of the most polarizing aspects of the Ram is its Cummins engine and all-new Aisin transmission in that it shifts, sounds and distributes power like its big-rig cousins. In fact, it seems as though Ram engineers have made sure the software programs don't allow too much of the B-motor's torque to get to the rear axle too fast. But once it got moving, it was never far behind the Ford or GMC, as evidenced by the Davis Dam and Eisenhower wide-open-throttle grade runs.

As to features that our judges liked, the interior ranks right at the top as one of the best-looking cabs we've ever seen. Also, the dual-setting Smart Brake and dedicated diesel exhaust fluid gauge were hugely appreciated throughout our run through the Rockies. However, we noted during a summer downpour that the windshield wipers were not fast enough to give us clear vision and as near as we could tell, the Ram's DEF usage was about two or three times worse than the others (counting our fill-ups, the GMC used 2 gallons, the Ford 3 gallons and the Ram 6.5 gallons.). Our final quibble with the Ram HD had to do with how much noise the engine, electric fans and even the exhaust brake make. We appreciate a solid big-rig sound as much as anyone, but over our long haul we eventually got tired of it.



Third Place: 2015 Ford F-350 Power Stroke

Empirical score, 1,786 points; judges' score, 1,410 points; total, 3,196 points

It's difficult not to be impressed with the changes Ford has made to the 2015 Ford Power Stroke engine. The new turbo adds cooling, a bigger torque converter, software remapping and unique injectors, which combine to give this truck impressive off-the-line and midrange towing power without sacrificing overall fuel economy. Having the biggest torque and horsepower numbers clearly is important in this category, and Ford made the investment to get the king-of-the-hill 440 horsepower and 860 pounds-feet of torque. And it paid off in several of our tests. The Power Stroke dominated our acceleration and hill-climb tests, winning just about every zero-to-60-mph and quarter-mile run we set up. It even did incredibly well in our biggest exhaust brake tests, scoring light-years ahead of where they were the last time we tested a one-ton Ford Super Duty turbo-diesel.

Most of the issues we had with this 2015 Super Duty had to do with ride quality and interior design. Sure, you can discount the latter to individual taste, but our test vehicle struggled in places the other two did not, suffering from "the jitters" over expansion joints or small potholes in uncomfortable ways (particularly on the bad highways north of Flagstaff, Ariz.). We'd also like to see the F-350 do less squatting and less "butt-dragging" when loaded or towing. It's a characteristic that exists across the entire lineup. Additionally, the interior is not aging well, especially when compared to the levels both GM and Ram HD are playing at nowadays.

Finally, we should note, that even though the F-350 came in third (and we're not apologizing for Ford here), the difference between first and third place, out of more than 3,000 points, was less than 100 points. Not matter what their final finishing order, we'd like to say congratulations to all the one-ton competitors in our 2014 Ultimate Heavy-Duty Challenge.

How We Scored

To find our winner, we broke down our heavy-duty torture test into two separate weeks, creating 19 different scored events that made up our numbers-heavy quantitative section. That amounted to almost 2,000 available points, with the winner of each event being awarded 100 points. The second- and third-place finishers received whatever percentage their finishing time, distance or speed justified (i.e., if the winner stopped in 125 feet, it got 100 points; a second place of 150 feet would generate 83 points and a last place of 175 feet would get 71 points).

To the scores from those 19 events we added our judges' qualitative scores. The judges were Aaron Bragman, Cars.com Detroit bureau chief; Kent Sundling, operator of MrTruck.com; and Mark Williams, PickupTrucks.com editor. These three drivers, because of their experience and certification, were the only drivers of the one-ton truck-and-trailer combinations. Each judge rated these pickups in six categories: performance, comfort and ergonomics, tech and entertainment, ride quality, overall visibility and value. Each judge determined how many points to award each truck on a 100-point scale. In the end, the empirical tests (19) accounted for about two-thirds of the total, with our experts' qualitative scoring accounting for the remaining one-third (for a total of 25 separate test categories).

Editor's note: We'd like to thank RaceLogic for collecting much of our test data, to GM for the use of its proving grounds, to Roush and Load Trail for the use of its heavy-duty trailers and to the editors at Cars.com who helped and supported PickupTrucks.com in putting together this monster comparison test.

To download an image with all the results of each event, their corresponsonding scores, and our judges' totals, click here.

Cars.com image by Evan Sears





Overview | Milan Dragway | Fuel Economy | Milford Hill Climb | Milford Braking | Davis Dam | Davis Braking | Eisenhower Pass | Eisenhower Braking | Results


Comments (119) in 2014 Ultimate Heavy-Duty Challenge, 2014 Ultimate One-Ton HD Challenge, Challenges

Comments

Congratulations to RAM. Betfer one ton truck than Ford.

Posted by: zviera | Aug 18, 2014 10:08:14 AM


Shocking!


Posted by: Toycrusher | Aug 18, 2014 10:09:19 AM


This test says it all.If you want to do a serious and safe towing, use RAM or even Chevy. Never use Ford. Only if you like Fleet Queen.

Posted by: zviera | Aug 18, 2014 10:20:29 AM


I'll stick with my Ford F350 DRW, thank you very much.


Posted by: Scott | Aug 18, 2014 10:21:54 AM


Great results from all involved. Although I'm a Ford guy, I'd be inclined to wait a year to pick up one of their '16 models, those are supposed to be all-new right? Although that could also be a great opportunity to get an awesome discount on a '15.


Posted by: Owen | Aug 18, 2014 10:23:30 AM


Good Job GM!


Posted by: johnny doe | Aug 18, 2014 10:27:10 AM


WOW! Deep inside I had a feeling Duramax/Allison combo would make a statement but didn't think it would pull itself to the top. Nice job GM.


Posted by: Gregory J. | Aug 18, 2014 10:32:34 AM


Whats that you hear???? All the wailing and gnashing of teeth of Ford owners, dead last on empirical and subjective ratings... no excuses this time boys!!!!!

GMC pulls the upset like I and several others called it over a month ago.... booyahhhh! Bring on Hurt Locker 2.0, Allison/Duramax 11 years young and still bringing the hurt to the competition!


Posted by: devilsadvocate | Aug 18, 2014 10:37:02 AM


Really @zviera? What it says to me is that you can't go wrong with any of the three - there's not a clear winner overall here at all. Like they said, less than 3% of the total score separated 1st from 3rd.

Nice test PUTC guys, as always.


Posted by: Kyle R | Aug 18, 2014 10:38:07 AM


What this test tells me is that if you want a quality 1-ton tow truck, you can't go wrong with any of these 3...


Posted by: Ken | Aug 18, 2014 10:45:01 AM


I agree with Kyle R. And Zviera sounds like an idiot. Great tests, 3 great trucks.


Posted by: jack | Aug 18, 2014 10:50:46 AM


@KyleR
Look at this test result and buddylam and my comment.
Ford didn't meet PUTC criteria to not to go over 60 Mph. This test is rigged again. They kept only RAM under 60 Mph.
Ford would lose even more if executed by the PUTC rules.

http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2014/08/ultimate-one-ton-hd-challenge-davis-dam-exhaust-brake-test.html

Not to mention brakes. RAM has best brakes on pair with GM.
Congrats to GM to step up this game. RAM is safe bet like always has been. Ford lost again.

Posted by: zviera | Aug 18, 2014 10:53:14 AM


I seriously wonder how old some of yall are that comment on here. What's sad is, we are all most likely grown adults and yet you talk trash like a 5th grader...and for what?? Is there REALLY a loser here?? Absolutely not. Us, the consumers, win, no matter which brand we decide to go with. Just because PUTC decided which brand won, do you honestly believe it will change someones mind??? Will GM suddenly out sell Ford in the HD market b/c of the test PUTC just did???? no.... Now, with that said, I would be lying if I told you that it didn't make me a little to happy to see GM win..CONGRATS GM...but, Ford will be releasing an all new truck VERY soon and, if we go by this test, im positive it will be the best truck on the market, especially where it lacked on this particular test. The Ford, as we know, is always heavier, and yet it was still the fastest and did great in the breaking, just imagine how much better it will pull and stop a load with the aluminum body. Which, again, in the end will just have to make Ram and GM adjust...... making us, the consumers, the real winners in all of this. PUTC, great test, I'm glad GM won..


Posted by: taylor | Aug 18, 2014 10:54:20 AM


taylor, the Ford was 40lbs lighter than the Ram. Look at Fords gearing. It clearly gives Ford an advantage. But mpg numbers and braking favor the Ram. Way more important numbers than acceleration up a hill.


Posted by: Dale Milner | Aug 18, 2014 11:03:54 AM


I apologize and i was wrong, Dale, but come on, 40lbs? lol.... You act like i was sitting here saying Ford got screwed or something and that i was bashing the Ram.... why??

All i said was there are no losers here. These new diesel trucks are simply amazing. 20 years ago, shoot, even less than probably 10 years ago, none of us would have ever imagined it could get to this level.

Posted by: taylor | Aug 18, 2014 11:08:53 AM


This test just proved that all the "HP/Torque fairy dust" that Ford applies to their trucks doesn't matter. GM knows how to get the most out of their "inferior powertrain." I think GM winning every one of these tests over the last 8 years or so, proves that the Duramax/Allison combo is the best in the business! How does the Ram use over 6 gallons of that urea fluid compared to 2 gallons with the GMC? That's reason enough to pass on that truck!

At the end of the day, I knew that overall, the GM trucks were the best in the business. Even with the gas version, if GM would up the power/torque numbers just a little, it would have won that challenge as well. It says a lot that with an outdated 6.0 liter engine, it more than held its own against Ram's new and much more powerful 6.4 Hemi. You can't lose either with either engine from GM, they're on top of their game! I'm more than impressed with how well this test went and surprised how well the GMC truck did against Ford's updated engine. I hope more buyers will consider the GM trucks for HD applications! Congrats GM!

Posted by: Chris | Aug 18, 2014 11:12:28 AM


And yet wen they do get too this level, Ford fails too keep up!


Posted by: cummins | Aug 18, 2014 11:15:58 AM


Except for the braking test this seems to be a well run test.

For the life of me I cannot understand how you could have allowed the trucks to exceed your max allowed speed limit by so much, yet, rated the actual worst offender the best at Eisenhower braking.

If you would have chosen the truck with the closest to max speed limit as the test for braking at Eisenhower. The Ram would have won the test and the overall test.

By allowing the Ford and GMC to grossly exceed your speed limits, of course you'd expect them to have fewer brake touches and cooler brakes.
But the brake temps were all within limits, and the Ram managed to pull the truck down to a speed closer to the limits.

You need to re exam your procedures for your next brake challenge.

As far as the grades being extreme challenges. I disagree. Even the high altitude of Eisenhower is not a challenge for a turbo vehicle.
You can not get out of the San Joaquin valley without going over passes with the same type grades. And temps up to 115 degrees.

So yes they are difficult. But they should not be considered challenges. They are just everyday normal occurrences for drivers on the interstate. They are not even being met with some of the realities of slow traffic, that would require a vehicle to slow and then regain speed at mid grade. Maybe throw some of that into the next test


Posted by: buddyIam | Aug 18, 2014 11:19:32 AM


It does certainly look like the Ram people could adjust the gearing in their Aisin. Especially their 3rd and 4th gear ratios.

In two lane mountain driving those gears are used a lot. I actually enjoy the idea of low range 2 wheel drive for those instances. But no one offers that. although it is available in after market,

Posted by: buddyIam | Aug 18, 2014 11:31:18 AM


The Next Powerstroke is said to be, "On Fire."


Posted by: One Built DMAX | Aug 18, 2014 11:37:26 AM


@ devilsadvocate Ford finished Second in Empirical score,6 points behind the GMC and the Ford finished Last in judges score


Posted by: David | Aug 18, 2014 11:40:23 AM


Shows that the transmission is just as important as the engine's "numbers". The Allison and Aisin units clearly do a better job of maximizing their respective engines' strengths. Ford may save expenses and improve profits by building their engine and transmission in-house, but GM and Chrysler aren't afraid to buy the right components for the job... and unlike what Ford did with the Navistar engines, GM and Chrysler allow the component manufacturers to "have their say" in the programming of the various control modules.

This test shows that overall drivability is sometimes better than just brute strength, and that it may be more important to control your speed than accelerate the fastest when towing heavy loads.


Posted by: RoadTrip | Aug 18, 2014 11:45:00 AM


I think its funny that Ford placed last n both the diesel and gas versions!! Also onebuiltdmax, that's wut they said bout the 15' power stroke!!!!
And look where it got em!! 3rd Place!! Go RAM and GM.....


Posted by: cummins | Aug 18, 2014 11:46:20 AM


All three trucks are great trucks. Thanks to pickuptrucks.com for the best, most thorough, and most unbiased tests.


Posted by: BLang | Aug 18, 2014 11:49:45 AM


The Power Stroke dominated our acceleration and hill-climb tests, winning just about every zero-to-60-mph and quarter-mile run we set up. It even did incredibly well in our biggest exhaust brake tests, scoring light-years ahead of where they were the last time we tested a one-ton Ford Super Duty turbo-diesel.

Most of the issues we had with this 2015 Super Duty had to do with ride quality and interior (decorating) design.

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I'll also add that Ford came in 2nd in empirical with only 6 pts difference between GM and Ford.

8 tests won by GM and 7 tests won by Ford. A virtual tie with GM getting the edge

Ram came in dead last in empirical scoring with more 100 pts behind GM.


Posted by: Dave Z. | Aug 18, 2014 11:50:20 AM


Did anyone read the loaded hill tests, I'm not sure why anyone would bash the Ford powertrain combo, it dominated all of them. The only thing it came a close second to was the empty 0-60. I agree all 3 are great trucks!


Posted by: Eric | Aug 18, 2014 11:51:02 AM


Hat off for Taylor to admit , he was wrong about the Ford and RAM weight.

Posted by: zviera | Aug 18, 2014 11:52:36 AM


Recap:

3/4 ton
Ford won empirical

1 ton
GM and Ford virtually tied empirical

Not bad for a truck that has not changed since "1999" like people always like to say.


Posted by: Dave Z. | Aug 18, 2014 11:53:24 AM


Hmm looks like I might be wrong on the Eisenhower hill climbe the links are screwed up


Posted by: Eric | Aug 18, 2014 11:56:16 AM


@Dave Z.
You shouldn't read any tests. You are clearly wasting time with that. Oh wait, you didn't read them.


Posted by: zviera | Aug 18, 2014 11:58:04 AM


Three excellent trucks! Hard to beat a Duramax diesel with an Allison transmission.


Posted by: Jason | Aug 18, 2014 12:00:34 PM


Zviera- THANKS. Ill admit when im wrong. Weight is something GM has always excelled in. They can put up very impressive numbers with an engine that has less power and i personally believe that plays a lot into the numbers. It helped me decide to go with a GMC diesel over the Ford, it just felt more nimble. That's by no means a knock on Ford, I wouldn't want to get hit by one haha. Im sooooo very interested to see how the aluminum body changes things. Its almost time for a new truck, and I will be deciding between the GMC and the new Ford when it releases.... truck boner.... engage


Posted by: taylor | Aug 18, 2014 12:04:05 PM


@Eric,

I share the same sentiment. Great test nonetheless.


Posted by: Frank | Aug 18, 2014 12:09:49 PM


"In fact, when looking at the point totals for the quantitative section, the Ford and GMC were virtually tied, with a statistical difference between them of 0.3 percent. The 2014 Ram 3500 HD won just four events because we did several tests that rewarded off-the-line speed and quickness, something the Ram Cummins has always struggled with."


Good job GM and Ford!

I agree with Taylor and Dave Z. I will be in the market for a new HD truck next year and will come down to Chevy and the new Ford Super Duty with the aluminum body.

I don't want Ram. The reasons have been discussed countless times.


Posted by: Paul | Aug 18, 2014 12:12:15 PM


@Paul
I applaud to you to have a balls to be a guinea pig to test how fast you can get out of burning aluminum Ford body.

Posted by: zviera | Aug 18, 2014 12:19:11 PM


Paul, i love Rams. The way they've made changes to their trucks, FOR THE BETTER, is clearly showing. I mean honestly, i know ive said it more than once, but how can any of us lose with these three trucks?! its just so awesome to me. I just so happen to like GMC (looks better than the chevy IMO) and Ford a little more. Im verrrry anxious to drive the super duty with the aluminum body. These things are rockets currently, less weight will just be even more impressive. Itll be a sad day though if i have to part ways with my GMC. wish i could have both! haha.

ALSO, this has been the best discussion between us, the readers, on PUTC that ive seen in years. We're actually talking to each other rather than trying to make ourselves look like pricks. I very rarely comment on here for that reason alone lol.

Posted by: taylor | Aug 18, 2014 12:24:16 PM


Wow ... Great Job to all 3! One cannot go wrong with either of these rigs. I would wait for the upgraded Super Duty just so I got the better frame ... The GM is impressive ... the RAM will always be slower with the inline 6. It makes TQ at lower RPMs and if you look at a dyno graph it does nothing for the motor to be turned to max RPM. The interior of the RAM is superior ... as is the frame and suspension. Great test and by the way it looks - the 2018 HD Hurt-Locker will be interesting .. LOL


Posted by: Jeremy Brown | Aug 18, 2014 12:37:55 PM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfHtcUZXljw&feature=youtube_gdata_player


Posted by: Truckerman | Aug 18, 2014 12:58:31 PM

This test says it all.If you want to do a serious and safe towing, use RAM or even Chevy. Never use Ford. Only if you like Fleet Queen.


Posted by: zviera | Aug 18, 2014 10:20:29 AM


Posted by: RAM | Aug 18, 2014 1:05:35 PM


Guts
Glory
RAM


Posted by: zviera | Aug 18, 2014 1:06:19 PM


That's a big difference in urea usage. There's an article just underneath the shootout about Cummins being tierIII or CARB compliant now. Maybe they're related and the Cummins releases less of whatever emissions they measure? Or is a low revving straight 6 just not a good platform for emissions (remembering what killed the Jeep 4.0).

Posted by: ky | Aug 18, 2014 1:14:49 PM


GMC, best powetrain, frame and interior, most reliable. Best Towing Experience Brakes/Ride/Handling, safest.


Ram, Cummins, Brakes, Interior/Exterior Styling, out the door price, megacab, rambox, powerwagon, 6.4 Hemi

Ford, 2nd redesign of Powerjoke, Prezel frame, ass dragging, terrible ride, crap interior, bragging rights on power.

In the end the two best won, congrats to GMC and Ram and too bad for Ford, back to the drawing board.


Posted by: Mr Obvious | Aug 18, 2014 1:24:11 PM


you would think the Cummins would be more efficient in emissions, like it kinda is with everything else, lower rpms etc, being that it is an I6 compared to the V8 in the Duramax and Powerstroke.

Posted by: taylor | Aug 18, 2014 1:26:15 PM


Congrats to GM

Wow, Ram was really behind the other two in the test portion of the 350/3500 challenge as opposed to only being 7 points behind the leader(Ford) in the 250/2500 test portion of the that challenge.

3500 Test totals

GM: 1,792

Ford: 1,786

Ram: 1,681

Luckily Ram came back in the judges opinion portion of the test. Although that side of the test is subjective. Good job all, thank you PUTC and Mr. Truck for putting on the challenge.

Posted by: ALL1 | Aug 18, 2014 1:32:49 PM


Well the urea injection is new for the Cummins 6.7 I believe, so it probably has some kinks to work out of it.
Speaking of which, did GM ever fix that low hanging urea tank? Doesnt look like it.

Also, are they 4x4s? It sorta look like the Ram and Superduty have the front diff

Posted by: Tom | Aug 18, 2014 1:33:05 PM


"The GMC was the our mileage champ when towing our heavy loads, winning the fuel economy test (with a 16,000-pound trailer in tow) in Michigan; we should also note that during our unofficial mpg calculation running from Las Vegas to Denver, the GMC (towing a 20,000-pound trailer) averaged about 10 mpg while the Ford and Ram hovered around 7 and 8 mpg, respectively."

Folks, thats 25 to 40 percent better Fuel Economy near Max Trailering, I say thats a huge difference and a HUGE win for GMC.

Posted by: Mr Obvious | Aug 18, 2014 1:35:47 PM


Sooooo the ford out performed everyone solidly the majority of the time, though it was not as luxurious inside or soft riding, so it came in last? Hmmmm

Well, you cannot get a bad truck here. Pick you favorite one and you have a competent truck.

Posted by: barrett | Aug 18, 2014 1:52:19 PM


"We'd like to thank ... GM for the use of its proving grounds". That about sums up the results.

Posted by: BoysandBowties | Aug 18, 2014 1:58:24 PM


@: Mr Obvious

Folks, thats 25 to 40 percent better Fuel Economy near Max Trailering, I say thats a huge difference and a HUGE win for GMC.

You are right about that sir.

Posted by: zviera | Aug 18, 2014 2:05:40 PM


Someone mentioned that it doesn't matter if the Ford was fastest in acceleration because it didn't brake as well.

Please tell me the last time you saw two trucks lining up to see who could brake the fastest? Exactly; doesn't happen. As you prove with every post truck guys generally have egos to match the size of their trailers and they don't want to get beat off the line.

I'm not saying braking is unimportant because it's very important. But you don't see anyone advertising braking distances or asking what the 60-0 times are. It's all about quarter-mile and 0-60. Which the Ford seemed to do best all-around:
'Having the biggest torque and horsepower numbers clearly is important in this category, and Ford made the investment to get the king-of-the-hill 440 horsepower and 860 pounds-feet of torque. And it paid off in several of our tests. The Power Stroke dominated our acceleration and hill-climb tests, winning just about every zero-to-60-mph and quarter-mile run we set up. It even did incredibly well in our biggest exhaust brake tests, scoring light-years ahead of where they were the last time we tested a one-ton Ford Super Duty turbo-diesel.'

Regardless of your favorite brand, the fact that the results are so close is a great thing for consumers.


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Here in Pennsylvania in the gas drilling business all the good old boys from Texas and Oklahoma prefer the Ram Heavy Duty Trucks for heavy towing and off road use.
They also complain that all the Pennsylvania women are fat, I told them they need to be fat to keep warm for the long cold winter, these guys go to the local bars try to pick up the local women and they get rejected so they are insulted that a fat woman snubbed a tall, skinny real man from Texas when they see that same woman leaving the bar with a fat, local man.
So the point I was making is the guys that love the Ram Heavy Duty Trucks suffer from basic common sense and social values and don't seem to blend in with the local community and maybe they can't get a date cause the women judge them on what make of truck they drive.

Soooo, the performance category was dominated by the ford. It lost points on "tech & entertainment" "ride quality" And "fluff" (I made the last one up). If I'm hauling I want the performance. Guess this is a "big picture" comparison, which is fair. I just wished the actual hauling ability of these trucks was placed with much greater importance. The radio is literally weighed into the points system equally as the ability to tow. Look at the qualitative points system.... 0-100 for performance and 0-100 points for tech & entertainment. Just my 2 Cents. BTW I only have a Class B CDL so I could not partake in this testing so I am glad someone else is doing it. Maybe its time for me to move up the licensing scale to a Class A if I want one of these trucks.

This tells me the GMC and Ram are pretty and fluffy while the Ford works harder. In the oilfield I'll take "works harder" any day. But what I REALLY need to know is which one is going to stay IN the field and out of the shop.

Awesome. Somebody started to post BS under my nick name. He must be really frustrated from test results.

Looks like someone's ESP just kicked in.

@Tom#3

"all the good old boys from Texas and Oklahoma prefer the Ram Heavy Duty Trucks for heavy towing and off road use."

This is false. The Ram 2500/3500 is far from being the most sold truck in Texas.

@All1
Looks like someone's ESP just kicked in.

@Tom#3

"all the good old boys from Texas and Oklahoma prefer the Ram Heavy Duty Trucks for heavy towing and off road use."

"This is false. The Ram 2500/3500 is far from being the most sold truck in Texas."

This is not false. RAM 2500/3500 for towing and off road use , Ford for socker moms and kids.There is more socker moms and kids, than towing and off road guys in Texas.

Soooo, the performance category was dominated by the ford. It lost points on "tech & entertainment" "ride quality" And "fluff" (I made the last one up). If I'm hauling I want the performance. Guess this is a "big picture" comparison, which is fair. I just wished the actual hauling ability of these trucks was placed with much greater importance. The radio is literally weighed into the points system equally as the ability to tow. Look at the qualitative points system.... 0-100 for performance and 0-100 points for tech & entertainment. Just my 2 Cents. BTW I only have a Class B CDL so I could not partake in this testing so I am glad someone else is doing it. Maybe its time for me to move up the licensing scale to a Class A if I want one of these trucks.


Posted by: barrett | Aug 20, 2014 7:11:22 AM

Ahhh yes the Ford guys are now learning what it felt like to be a GM fan over the last 5 years. When the GM Duramax spanked the Ford and Ram guys up and down the mountain in the HD shootout, Rumble in the Rockies and HD Hurt Locker. All the Ford guys could talk about was "I dont cur if mah sooper doody cant pull to the top of the mountain faster than that dogsh*t interior chebrolet, just want ta be be comftabul while Im drivin, gimme ma King Ranch and Platnumb all day long, who cares about real world performance."

Now Ford is on the bottom of the heap so they change their tune... except the GM still won 8 empirical performance based tests to Ford's 7, walked away with "unofficial" 30-40% better on the road fuel economy, and on top of that gave Ford a good lesson in ride quality, interior design and "fluff" as you call it.

In the real world we call that having your cake and eating it too. Hope you enjoy your lego block dash and dated interior, you got to the top of the mountain a few seconds faster, dragging your butt the whole way albeit.

This test shows the stupidity of the max tow race.

These vehicles are pickups not commercial tractors.

GM won because it was the best pickup of the bunch not the best "bragging rights" PR exercise.

Also, to Mark and the gang, I would love to see the "Squat Test" as a function of degrees below level ie butt dragging as you guys called it. Yes the Dodge squatted more, but you immediately notice from all of the action shots that the Dodge is sitting level, if not still maintaining a little bit of forward rake, same with the GM. As far as towing and safety is concerned, that's the only real concern when a truck squats is the unloading of the front tires and headlights raising into oncoming drivers eyes when the tail drops below level. Dodge and GM have a very pronounced forward rake when unloaded while the Ford sits the most level of the three (they honestly look more level than my 2500 HD with leveling keys installed) when unloaded so naturally you get exactly what you guys complained about in the judges section, the Super Duty, segment wide drags its tail around when loaded with any reasonable weight, we saw it here and in the 3/4 ton gasser shootout.

I propose a test where you do something like put a level or angle protractor on the bed rails and measure the final angle when loaded down, then rank the trucks based on the best angle reported when loaded, maybe with extra points detracted if the angle drops below level. That is so much more important than inches squat unloaded vs loaded

@lray801

Well put. There really is no poor choice any longer. All these trucks perform greatly.

Competition is king, today we can choose which truck we like for whatever reason and still have a great truck!

@barrett

I disagree. RAM is the best.

All three machines are kick ass, comes down to taste, longevity/reliability and what kind of a deal you can get. For me it's ram, the interior I think is hands down the best. And I've said it before I don't trust the power stroke engine after the 6.0 mess even know it sounds like the new engine is/has been right.

I love these shoot outs... so much info. What I would really like to see is a full round of dyno testing, I was expecting a little more from the newly rated psd.

Yeah, and Ford will continue to out sell GM and Rams in Heavy-duty trucks sales, most importantly there is a new Superduty coming.

To me the results are not surprising at all.

Yea they are all "nice" trucks i would hope ANYTHING that cost this much money would be "nice" and work as advertised.

The GM is the latest of the designs and just as in the half ton market anything but 1st place should be considered failure. So congrats to the GM welfare wagon.

The Ram was the 2nd newest designed truck with its very nice interior and extreme capabilities made it the middle of child of this contest but did not place it so well in the individual tests. I actually would have expected more individual contest wins over the Ford from the Fiat with its advantages in age of design and capability ratings.

The Ford won many tests but lost the contest due to lets face it very old design. Obviously the competition has moved beyond the Ford's previous and now corrected deficiencies of power and exhaust brake. Frame, suspension and especially interior are all very much lagging in the last American Capitalist entry.

Hopefully the next test of this nature will not be 4 years away with a brand new aluminum superduty (definitly with a new frame/interior and hopefully suspension) and this powerstroke on the horizon.

Clint,
The ford as the newest engine.

In the end, it doesn't much matter what the manufacturers tell you about horsepower and torque. What matters is putting the available horsepower and torque to the rear wheels in a manner that gets the job done best. GMC has excelled at that with the Duramax/Allision powertrain for years. On top of that, they are extremely reliable which is the most important test in my opinion.

The guys and gals who haul big trailers and fifth wheels from the Midwest to the dealers in the West use GM trucks more than any others. There are a few Dodges in the mix and almost no Fords. There has to be a reason that these professional haulers pick a certain truck to do the job. These haulers get their service work done at a facility that I frequent. It is not unusual for them to service (oil change, etc.) the GM trucks that the haulers use that have over 700,000 miles on the original drivetrain. Again, there has to be a solid reason that these drivers are choosing GMs over the competition. It is their livelihood and they are choosing the best truck for their needs. You can't argue with that result and it means much more than the Challenge results. Nevertheless, GM proved once again that it is the best HD Diesel out there. Ford continues to play catch up with different engines. They are not there yet and they may never get there.

Why did the GovtMoCo Sierra win yet not the Chevrolet???? Should there not be a tie for 1st place?

Typical GMC bias from GM. That's "Their" Baby. Screw em. Chevrolet needs to dump that pos enterprise and fast.

I'd buy a Duramax today if I needed a diesel not because it won this shootout but because GM has done a great job of dialling in this combo and making it more than competitive even with a very noticeable overall power handicap.

The 6.6 has also been in service for a decade+ and has more than proven itself.

This isn't to say I don't like Ford or Dodge (I have a 2003 high miler Cummins) but I like what the Duramax brings to this test.

I have a 2014 6.4 HD Ram and I'm very happy with it but if I had to make the diesel swap I'd take the GM without question.


So, we have a truck comparison which addresses nothing of the driving manners and feel of each truck. They are all Excellent trucks- but what you editors and the like are missing is, the reasons we actually purchase one brand over another isn't addressed at all.

Who spends 50, 60, or 70K on a truck just because of a brand? No one who actually needs one of these.

Visibility, steering feel, cabin feel, seat support, ease of entry and egress, stepping up and into the vehicle, maneuvering in traffic, and tight parking lots, drive through- ability, feel of vehicle on a crowned road, wet road, feel of speed, road noise- I mean seriously. You are just screwing around. Please do a real comparison, show your experience and knowledge, and put together a professional presentation. Because these trucks are as different as can be from a driving experience- and that's why we buy one over another-

Lastly- please calibrate the brake controllers for each truck so they are within reasonable performance of one another- setting them all to 5 or 7 and none at all tells us basically nothing. Your team lacks constancy, and leadership. You are all fine fellows I am sure who mean very well- but disappointing testing and reviewing.

Still, keep improving. I do enjoy the site.

@ buddylam and zviera

Apparently this was a test of trucks and not just their engines sitting on stands or hooked up to dynos or so forth.

Hence the reasons for the mutiple tests and grading schemes.

The Ford's dated (being kind there) interior, suspention, and frame are why its 3rd and as per the grading of this test desrvesd to be so. Its "newest" engine is what kept it from being demolished in the testing.

Cummins sells its product to many companies... FIAT being one of them that makes Ram. Just calling the truck what it is maybe you didnt hear that our government tax money was used to fund its tranfer to Fiat? Whether you agree with that being good American Capitalism or not the truck is a Fiat with a Cummins engine in it.

The is the first time I've ever looked to a blog or a truck test challenge to assist me in a purchase. Looking to retirement in a couple years or sooner, I been looking and thinking about purchasing one more 1-ton diesel pusher to tow my 14,000 pound 5th wheel. Since I've never been brand loyal and have owned all three in the past 20 years, I looked to the internet for the first time to help define my decision to purchase. After reading a couple other reviews and blogs along with test driving all three, this blog confirmed my opinion and decision. The Ford turned me off with the totally cheap looking interior, too much hard plastic for me and I couldn't get past that no matter what the performance. The Ram really impressed me and the interior is incredible, Ford should take a lesson. The GM's seemed much the same but with new sheet metal, and a much improved interior, nice job. My conclusion, nothing knocked me out enough to encourage me to spend another $20,000 or so to replace/upgrade my 2011 Chevy HD Duramax/Allison at this time, maybe the new Ford will next year, who knows. I agree with all the comments referring to you can't go wrong with any of the three, there will still be the brand locality influence, and I think the rest is left to aesthetics and price as the performance is all so close.

@Clint
Cummins sells its product to many companies... FIAT being one of them that makes Ram. Just calling the truck what it is maybe you didnt hear that our government tax money was used to fund its tranfer to Fiat? Whether you agree with that being good American Capitalism or not the truck is a Fiat with a Cummins engine in it.

It wasn't just your money, but also our canadian money and it wasn't transferred, just borrowed and paid in full back a year ago.
Another wrong assumption or incorrect information is that RAM is made by FIAT.
It's made by FCA- Fiat Chrysler Automobiles , not by FIAT.


@Zviera

The vast majority of funds were from the US government and were NOT paid back by Fiat. Fiat would ONLY accept the burden of Chysler under the condition that the US gov underwrote the entire transaction (in other words no finanical risk to Fiat regarding the acquisition). You need to look into the deal and the business. While Fiat did have to buy out the union and some Gov money was paid back over 40 billion was not (and forgiven by the US Gov in effect a big liberal socialst freebie foreign take over funded by Uncle Sam). Neither GM nor Fiat paid anything back in full (GM is 9 to 13 Billion short again forgiven) To say nothing of the creditors and debts that both defaulted on in declaring bankruptcy (just their tough luck). FCA = Fiat + what used to be Chrysler. Who controls FCA? Fiat. What does the F in FCA stand for? FIAT. Why is the F before the C? Just as a Chevy, Cadillac, or Buick is GM, A Chrysler, Dodge, or Ram is now a FIAT. I guess technically that probably is a step down for all the Chrysler fans from having previously been Mercedes...

Another news flash is that Puegot is the majority owner of Nissan...

@Clint
Another news flash is that Puegot is the majority owner of Nissan...

Hahaha. This is not a news for me. I know obout this for at least 12 years. But It's not a Peugeot but Renault.

Ford is #1 nobody can beat them

Unlike many here I am not a mindless slave to my brand preferences and have to conceed that Zviera is correct in that I did mix up Puegot for Renault with regards to ownership/control of Nissan. This is especially embarassing as I worked for Nissan (hence Renault) for a year (although it was a very miserable year).

I apologize for my error and Zviera needs to be commended for finally stating something that really is correct.

Ok I agree with everything these testers used to pick their top HD Truck. Even after multiple recalls (some before trucks hit the dealership), a DEF tank at ground level, off center steering position, notoriously poor NAV Radio System, a DEF filler spout located right smack dab, over the Hot Engine, I fully understand the logic of selection of GM. Did I mention the other two trucks out sell GM! The ride, well all trucks ride well parked. My two ( very scientific study like the article ) friends who bought them, are feeling the pain while sitting in their trucks in service lines while peering over the fine "Corinthian Leather" covered dash boards!

In the video you say the Dodge offered the strongest and most confident towing experience. What exactly did you mean given that the Dodge was the slowest?



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