Ultimate One-Ton HD Challenge: And the Winner Is …

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Determining how to calculate our winner is never easy with a gigantic test like this. Combining all of our test data with the diverse opinions we gather from our judges makes putting it together almost a no-win situation. If we bias toward the empirical tests, then real-world characteristics like livability, comfort and interior design get shortchanged, and if we let subjective opinions rule the day, we miss the value of engine and chassis performance, and leave ourselves open to criticism.

That's why we've tried to offer both in this Challenge, in as transparent a format as possible, so that you can see how we collected the data, scored the events and weighted the head-to-head competitions. It was our hope that, by doing so, no matter which truck we crowned the winner, you got a chance to look at all the categories, see which ones are important to you and recalculate your own weighting of the events so that you can crown your own winner (if need be). We hope it's understood that the reason we do this type of testing is to equip you with as much information as possible so you can make the best choice when purchasing your next pickup truck. And if we have to suffer long days, coordinate truck and trailer schedules, and tow several thousand miles through some of the most beautiful country in the U.S. to bring you the results of these Challenges, so be it.

How We Did It

Of the 19 empirical tests that we conducted — which included everything from quarter-mile times at a drag strip to how much each one-ton squatted with its gooseneck weight — eight of them were won by the 2015 GMC Sierra 3500 HD and seven were won by the 2015 Ford F-350. In fact, when looking at the point totals for the quantitative section, the Ford and GMC were virtually tied, with a statistical difference between them of 0.3 percent. The 2014 Ram 3500 HD won just four events because we did several tests that rewarded off-the-line speed and quickness, something the Ram Cummins has always struggled with.

In the qualitative scoring section from our judges, the Ram had the most points, finishing in first or second place with each expert and winning the section by 40 points over the GMC. However, in the end, the GMC is our winner with the highest combined point total in one of our most comprehensive competitions to date, beating both of its competitors by a solid margin.

 

First Place: 2015 GMC Sierra 3500 HD Duramax

IMG_2846a IIEmpirical score, 1,792 points; judges' score, 1,500 points; total, 3,292 points

The 2015 GMC Sierra 3500 HD pickup equipped with the turbo-diesel engine won our 2014 Ultimate One-Ton HD Challenge.

The GMC, although the least expensive truck in our test, offered the smoothest and most comfortable ride over many uncomfortable road surfaces. The Duramax turbo-diesel and Allison 1000 transmission deliver power fast off the line, providing monster amounts of torque to the rear wheels quickly and forcefully.

Although much of our time was spent towing, one of the Sierra 3500's greatest strengths is how well it performs when empty; in fact, it won both empty tests we ran at the Milan Dragway (the zero-to-60-mph and quarter-mile tests), as well as stopping the fastest when empty during our brake test at GM's Milford Proving Ground. Interestingly, the GMC was the our mileage champ when towing our heavy loads, winning the fuel economy test (with a 16,000-pound trailer in tow) in Michigan; we should also note that during our unofficial mpg calculation running from Las Vegas to Denver, the GMC (towing a 20,000-pound trailer) averaged about 10 mpg while the Ford and Ram hovered around 7 and 8 mpg, respectively.

Our judges hugely appreciated the all-new interior and multimedia interface and 8-inch navigation screen, as well as the all-new (identical to the light duty) scrolling information screen. Although it took some getting used to, the trailer brake controller (mounted high on the dash on the left side of the steering wheel) works quite well. We also appreciated how well the upgraded exhaust brake performs, making it easier for those who might have little towing experience to tow heavier loads. The new, smarter and more sophisticated system will make towing near the limits a much easier chore for customers. There will be plenty of fifth-wheel and gooseneck haulers who will tow safer with the "set-it-and-forget-it" feature.

In the end, the GMC was the best all-around player of our competitors, scoring well in just about every category, racking up the points by the competition's finish.

 

Second Place: 2014 Ram 3500 HD Cummins

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Empirical score, 1,681 points; judges' score, 1,540 points; total, 3,221 points

The Ram 3500 was the most expensive of our test vehicles, tipping the scales at just less than $70,000, coming to us in full Laramie Limited dress with rich leather and stunning dash, gauge and console accents. The Ram won four of our competitive events, but those did not include any best acceleration times. A surprise to us, the Ram won the empty fuel economy testing we conducted in Michigan with a winning around-town average of 16.31 mpg. The other three events it won were all brake tests; two with the trailer, stopping from 60 mph (one with trailer brakes, one without) and the downhill exhaust brake testing we did at Davis Dam.

At the end of our empirical tests, the Ram HD was within 100 points of the GMC; however, after our experts weighed in with their favorite features and pickup characteristics, the Ram was even closer. One of the most polarizing aspects of the Ram is its Cummins engine and all-new Aisin transmission in that it shifts, sounds and distributes power like its big-rig cousins. In fact, it seems as though Ram engineers have made sure the software programs don't allow too much of the B-motor's torque to get to the rear axle too fast. But once it got moving, it was never far behind the Ford or GMC, as evidenced by the Davis Dam and Eisenhower wide-open-throttle grade runs.

As to features that our judges liked, the interior ranks right at the top as one of the best-looking cabs we've ever seen. Also, the dual-setting Smart Brake and dedicated diesel exhaust fluid gauge were hugely appreciated throughout our run through the Rockies. However, we noted during a summer downpour that the windshield wipers were not fast enough to give us clear vision and as near as we could tell, the Ram's DEF usage was about two or three times worse than the others (counting our fill-ups, the GMC used 2 gallons, the Ford 3 gallons and the Ram 6.5 gallons.). Our final quibble with the Ram HD had to do with how much noise the engine, electric fans and even the exhaust brake make. We appreciate a solid big-rig sound as much as anyone, but over our long haul we eventually got tired of it.

 

Third Place: 2015 Ford F-350 Power Stroke

IMG_3801a IIEmpirical score, 1,786 points; judges' score, 1,410 points; total, 3,196 points

It's difficult not to be impressed with the changes Ford has made to the 2015 Ford Power Stroke engine. The new turbo adds cooling, a bigger torque converter, software remapping and unique injectors, which combine to give this truck impressive off-the-line and midrange towing power without sacrificing overall fuel economy. Having the biggest torque and horsepower numbers clearly is important in this category, and Ford made the investment to get the king-of-the-hill 440 horsepower and 860 pounds-feet of torque. And it paid off in several of our tests. The Power Stroke dominated our acceleration and hill-climb tests, winning just about every zero-to-60-mph and quarter-mile run we set up. It even did incredibly well in our biggest exhaust brake tests, scoring light-years ahead of where they were the last time we tested a one-ton Ford Super Duty turbo-diesel.

Most of the issues we had with this 2015 Super Duty had to do with ride quality and interior design. Sure, you can discount the latter to individual taste, but our test vehicle struggled in places the other two did not, suffering from "the jitters" over expansion joints or small potholes in uncomfortable ways (particularly on the bad highways north of Flagstaff, Ariz.). We'd also like to see the F-350 do less squatting and less "butt-dragging" when loaded or towing. It's a characteristic that exists across the entire lineup. Additionally, the interior is not aging well, especially when compared to the levels both GM and Ram HD are playing at nowadays.

Finally, we should note, that even though the F-350 came in third (and we're not apologizing for Ford here), the difference between first and third place, out of more than 3,000 points, was less than 100 points. Not matter what their final finishing order, we'd like to say congratulations to all the one-ton competitors in our 2014 Ultimate Heavy-Duty Challenge.

How We Scored

To find our winner, we broke down our heavy-duty torture test into two separate weeks, creating 19 different scored events that made up our numbers-heavy quantitative section. That amounted to almost 2,000 available points, with the winner of each event being awarded 100 points. The second- and third-place finishers received whatever percentage their finishing time, distance or speed justified (i.e., if the winner stopped in 125 feet, it got 100 points; a second place of 150 feet would generate 83 points and a last place of 175 feet would get 71 points).

To the scores from those 19 events we added our judges' qualitative scores. The judges were Aaron Bragman, Cars.com Detroit bureau chief; Kent Sundling, operator of MrTruck.com; and Mark Williams, PickupTrucks.com editor. These three drivers, because of their experience and certification, were the only drivers of the one-ton truck-and-trailer combinations. Each judge rated these pickups in six categories: performance, comfort and ergonomics, tech and entertainment, ride quality, overall visibility and value. Each judge determined how many points to award each truck on a 100-point scale. In the end, the empirical tests (19) accounted for about two-thirds of the total, with our experts' qualitative scoring accounting for the remaining one-third (for a total of 25 separate test categories).

Editor's note: We'd like to thank RaceLogic for collecting much of our test data, to GM for the use of its proving grounds, to Roush and Load Trail for the use of its heavy-duty trailers and to the editors at Cars.com who helped and supported PickupTrucks.com in putting together this monster comparison test.

To download an image with all the results of each event, their corresponding scores and our judges' totals, click here

Cars.com image by Evan Sears

 

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Parade of HDs 3a II

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Overview | Milan Dragway | Fuel Economy | Milford Hill Climb | Milford Braking | Davis Dam | Davis Braking | Eisenhower Pass | Eisenhower Braking | Results

Comments

Of course there's the typical childish ram comments. Clearly the powertrain and exhaust brake of the ford outperformed the ram and gmc. The gmc did surprisingly well. The empirical data put the ford well ahead of the ram. The judges score seems pointless since it depends mostly on personal preference and is nothing that a person can't easily judge himself with a simple test drive. I would at least like to see some explanation of the judges scores. Like how is the ram tech and entertainment considered so much better than the other two? And how did aaron bragman rate the overall value of the ram (80) so much better than the ford (60) when the ram is an extra $2,000 and was outperformed by the ford in most of the empirical part of the test? How is the visibility not the best in the ford when it has the largest windows and mirrors all around? And why is the comfort and ergonomics so much worse in the ford? I happen to think their seats are the most comfortable. Ride quality of the ram being best makes sense, but aaron bragman rated it 40 points better than the ford where mark and kent rated it only 10 points better? Sure seems like aaron was biased towards the ram and against the ford compared to the other judges.

2016 Super Duty... all aluminum body, new frame, with even some reports saying it will have IFS which if true would help with the ride.

Personally if I was on the market for a good heavy hauler it would be Ram or Ford. Still don't care much for the Chevy interior. Its to much like a car for my taste not to mention the weight handicap of what you can tow vs. Ford or Ram.

With all that said I will say this again. The trucks should win or lose strictly by the empirical data. When you factor in the personal bias of the judges that taints the true picture. Everyone can be entitled to their own opinions and share them as such but that should have zero bearing on who wins the contest. Until PUTC address this, these test will mean less and less to the readers.

Re: Ram tech better?

New Ram Owners Report Radio/Tech/Entertainment Problems:

http://tinyurl.com/n5tt4rl

This is a big, big problem for Ram that has been mentioned by people in the forums. It is being ignored by the media, but is now being picked up by the blogs.

Why was the Ram loaded with 840 pounds more than the Chevy?

I can understand a 100 or even 200 pound delta but 840 pounds difference seems excessive and would surely have an outcome on the acceleration, braking, and fuel economy tests.

Particularly Eisenhower where the Ram was only 17 seconds behind.

@Warfish
If that's true, than PUTC test is completely useless.

:) Good test. Thanks for mentioning general temperatures of engines and transmissions and then overall chassis competency. Thanks for brake temperatures!

:( Now that you are done pickuptrucks.com, PLEASE DELETE YOUR "10 THINGS ABOUT HD TIRES" ARTICLE. PLEASE PUBLISH A NEW ONE APOLOGIZING AND MAKING IT CLEAR THAT YOU SHOULD ALWAYS PUT THE NEWER AND MORE GRIPPY TIRES ON THE REAR WHEELS SO DRIVERS DON'T FLIP OR SPIN THEIR VEHICLE WHEN BRAKING.

Preventing deaths are more important than which truck gets up the hill better, don't you think.

Wow... Figure the ram would have had better performance numbers and the gm would of had worse. By the looks of it the duramax has cummins published power numbers (ever so slightly slower then the more powerful ford) and the cummins has published numbers of the duramax. No way the ram makes 850 ft lbs of torque by there weak performance compared to the ford and gm. The gm has like what???? 765 ft lbs and it obliterates the ram in every acceleration test.... Talk about fairy dust on the 30k tow numbers that they claim.

Ford will still sell the most HD's in 2015 likely more than Ram/GM combined. Its the oldest truck overall and will likely have the highest amortized profits. If the 2016 upgrade is lighter than the current truck it will dominate all performance categories. The subjective scores may not change much however individual buyers taste will always win in the end.

PUTC commented that the Ford squatted a lot under load, but the RAM squatted the most - almost 5 inches in total. Wow didn't expect that - though the RAM rear end was stronger than that. This is where GMC always wins - they make some seriously thick and strong leaf springs, especially in the 2500/3500's. My guess is the GMC 2500 in the 3/4 ton squatted the least as well (but didn't see those results - so don't quote me).

Congratulations to GM. I thought the Duramax would be close to the others in performance. Remember when Ford was bragging about the fuel efficiency of its new 6.7 Powerstroke?
I think a lot of the reason Ford won many of the acceleration tests was due to the lower transmission gears. Wait until the 2016 MY when the Duramax isn't down 40hp and 100lb-ft! The closeness of this test shows all 3 know exactly what the others are bringing to the fight. It's not so much about which one is best anymore- it's about which one you like.

Sure would be nice to know a bit more about braking performance. Braking distance and temps are somewhat useful and practical for testing purposes but real haulers want to know how long the brakes will continue to perform.

Using the limited amount of data provided one can only conclude the GMC shows promise in braking department even if it requires extra distance to stop with a load. I don't know about ya'll, but the last problem I want to deal with is brake fade at the worst possible moment.

Just like with the 3/4 ton challenge, personal preference get's more weight than actual performance. The Ford's numbers were tops in most categories yet rated 3rd? Unbelievable. This is why PUTC has morphed into nothing than a backbench blog.

Take all of these reports with a grain of salt because they are all over the place, they don't use the same weight for each truck.

Sorry a lot of the tests are not how people use these trucks in real life, it does not matter the make, these are just stupid tests that have no basis for real world use.

Ford hâve more hp and torque ,,,for now ....to gm bring the new dmax what is not good ford did do much better whit the new engine wow ...they have hard time to beat a older design engine,,,

Miath- it's not so much about the power of the engines, but the weight of the trucks. GM has always been the lightest, which is a testament to them, not a knock.

Sounds like the super duty out performed the other two just wasn't as comfortable, it's a 1 ton truck it's built to work, if they test only what these trucks are purpose built for (hauling and towing) ford takes the cake

@Nick s 

Riiiight.

The Super Duty is definitely showing its age. Looking forward to next years test with the new Duramax engine and all-new 2016 Super Duty. What will they have? 500 HP / 1000 lb-ft?

@sheep head cartilage,

Oh Im sorry was the test not to your liking? You know for someone who spent last week telling others to quit the excuses, you sure seem full of them today.

So the f450 put a beating the the ram awhile back and now the f350 did the same. But the ram has better shaped and appearing air condition/heater vents with a soft fabric dash!!!!

No guts
No glory
squats more when loaded
Ram!!!!!!

Sounds like the super duty out performed the other two just wasn't as comfortable, it's a 1 ton truck it's built to work, if they test only what these trucks are purpose built for (hauling and towing) ford takes the cake


Posted by: Nick s | Aug 18, 2014 7:01:51 PM

Right. That's why Ram wins. Hauls and tows more than the competition with comfort and control.

Guts

Glory

Ram!

I think they need to do a test where they strap 50000lbs or more behind these trucks and really test these motors, brakes, cooling systems, drivetrains, exhaust brakes etc past their limits. Have to do it on a closed course but it'd be interesting to see how these a handle being pushed beyond design specs

Great testing and great work. The consumer is the winner regardless of which brand you choose. The vast majority of people won't tow more than the 20,000# trailers in these tests and all three got the job done effectively and safely. Just imagine the test that we all will be commenting on in 5 or 10 years down the road?? Can 1000 lb-ft of torque be too far off? In 22 years of Dodge - Cummins truck ownership, my new '14 has more than double the HP and Torque of my first '92. ( My '92 got the best MPG by far however!! :))

Ram Trucks. HELL YES!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx8oh8a7hfg&list=UUNfZNOb3jq-iWdL0d9OMf9Q&index=18

Well done.But something is a mist here.Ford software seems to integrate better on engine to transmission showing it by its quick times ahead of Ram's 3500/Aisan transmission.But these truck's are not represent well by year of manufacture evenly. I feel that shortly Ram truck division will be announcing if any power trains hp/tq for ratings for 2015.They have been very silent about this matter.If they stick with the current,and go only on ride and comfort alone.Then Ford will be using the same advertising that Ram was using for 2014.I have driven a 2500 with the coil spring against GM,Fords and I must say they nail right again after using this rear suspension system quite well in the 1500 1/2 ton,and is a huge sales advertising which is part of the reason Ram is selling and capturing market in the 1/2 so strongly.I believe with the recent announcement at Ram truck division they are going to attack Ford's commercial division sales with this class leading suspension,interior and power train.I was shock to see that Mark,and Mr Truck had voted with suspension,and interior as big items for 1 ton owners,in fact this is one of the big sales points for owners who sit for hours towing 5th wheels around the US.The race up the hill is all fine and dandy proper,but that sure will burn a whole in someones wallet real fast.I like the Rams suspension system and interior is class leading with the UConnect for sure.I suspect after this test Ram truck division will be announcing if any a hp/tq increase if they are going to stick with this market tool.

Ram Is Catching Up to Ford Motor Company's F-150 and Chevrolet's Silverado
August 17, 2014

"To date, the Silverado has sold approximately 240,000 units, and it wouldn't be surprising to see Ram become the second best selling pickup in the U.S."

"For the first six months of 2014 -- as noted in the table above -- sales are up 19.7% to 203,860, while the Ram pickup has become the fourth best selling model in the U.S."

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/08/17/ram-is-catching-up-to-ford-motor-companys-f-150-an.aspx

this was a very good test over all. I was very surprise by the GMC performance. it sure seems like the duramax engine is underrated. the differences between Ford And Ram is appropriate for the 55 BHP gap.

This was a good test overall. PUTC does a great job of explaining how they test. That is more important than test results.

I am surprised that the GM won but with that being said the GM Duramax/Allison has always been extremely good.
GM updated the frame and chassis a few years ago and this year fixed all of the problems with the old cab and interior.
The tweaks to the motor and computing systems helped as well.

GM has had the most dependable HD trucks for several years now. JD Power rated them #1 followed by Ford then Ram in last. Vincentric picked the GM as the most durable in a work environment and Ram better suited to personal use. A recent study of diesel engine ROI showed GM was well ahead of Ford and even though the study period covered the 6.0 and 6.4 PowerStroke, Ford rated better than Ram.

I'd go with a commercial tractor if I wanted to tow anything close to what the Ram or F450 are rated. I was just talking to a guy who has towed 30K loads with a Ram and he said it can be scary.

The GM HD's would be my first choice because of their durability ratings and having a long standing history of driveline reliability. That coupled with the fact that they fixed everything I hated about the cabs and interiors.

Ford lost because they have the oldest truck. Statistically older interiors always score more poorly than new ones. The chassis is showing its age.

Even with that being said, the spread between 1st to 3rd is close. The only ones who talk about position in rankings are company PR hacks and fanboys.

Buy what makes you happy because you aren't making a bad decision purchasing any of these trucks.

So from 2011(hurt locker) to 2014 0-60 ford lost 2.13 seconds with trailer(25.63-23.5) and 1.26 seconds without(17.56-1.6) GM lost 1.68 seconds with trailer(25.88-24.2) and 1.02 seconds without(17.22-16.2) Ram lost 2.09 seconds with trailer(26.39-24.3) and .72 seconds without(18.02-17.3). in 2011 they were pulling 19400lbs trailers vs 16000lbs in 2014 so we can’t compare the loaded times apples to apples, but somehow without changing hp/tq/transmission/rear-end and gaining 400lbs, gm managed to drop 1.02 seconds of their ¼ mile time?? Both ford and ram increased hp and torque(ford 400hp vs 440, 800tq vs 850tq. Ram 350hp vs 385, 800tq vs 850tq)(the ram also went from a 4.10 rear end to a 3.73) so them gaining does make sense. Ram and ford also both gained weight, ford gained 280lbs (8700-8420) ram gained 700lbs (8740-8040). Something about these numbers isn’t adding up to me…I think you need to start putting these trucks on a dyno to make sure manufacturers aren’t tuning these trucks up before sending them to you. (all numbers where grabbed from the 2011 hurtlocker and the 2014 ultimate hd challenge)

"Right. That's why Ram wins. Hauls and tows more than the competition"

I don't get how you can say that hauls and tows more with a straight face. If the Ram 3500 were able to tow more than the other two then the Davis Dam(that mirrors the J2807) and the Eisenhower Pass should have been a cakewalk for it. Instead it was behind the winner by 1:16 minute 16 seconds in the Davis Dam and 18 seconds on the Eisenhower Pass. If it were able to tow more then wouldn't it be able to easily outdo the other two in those two tests?

Same goes for the 2500 tests with the gasers. In the Eisenhower pass, it was dropping below 30 mph and finished 2 minutes and 17 seconds behind the winner. If Ram is ABLE(<--keyword there) to tow more then it should have been able to tow the more weight it was rated at just as easily as the others. If it were really ABLE to tow more then the extra weight it had tow would have been easy for it and it would have been able to finish around the time the others that were towing at the same percentage of their rated weight.

If you say something can tow more then it should be ABLE to handle that extra weight just as well as the lesser rated trucks handle theirs. Prime examples are the diesels versus the gasers in these tests. The diesels are rated to tow much more than the gasers, and should be able to tow that extra rated weight just as easily as the gasers pulled their less weight. In the Eisenhower Pass test, the Ford 250 pulled 90% of its tow rating (@ 10,000lbs) up the hill in the 9 minute range while the much more powerful diesels were able to tow roughly 90% of their tow rating (@ 21,000 lbs) and still be able to be in the 9 minute range. The diesels were rated to tow more, and they backed up that ABILITY by posting about the same time even when towing much more weight.

What I am trying to get through to you is that if a truck is rated to tow more than another truck then if it really has that ability to tow that extra weight then it should perform the same even when towing more weight. A Ram Hemi should be able to tow 90% of its rated weight up that same hill just as fast a Ram Pentastar would towing 90% of its rated weight even though the Hemi is towing more weight. That is the whole point of a rating system and if a truck is rated to tow more then it should be able to tow more just as easily as a lesser rated truck at the same percentage of it's rating. As we seen in the 250/2500 Challenge, just because a truck is RATED to tow more does not mean it has the ABILITY to tow more.

Congrats to GM for winning again and Ford is falling fast from grace. Ram would never have been close in the past but it smoked the ford. Better hope toyota doesn't show up next time ford!

@ Mark Williams - One critical factor missing was an off-road tow test. It's been well documented that while the Chevy may win the on-road handling portion, it's downright miserable on anything but pavement. These ARE 4X4 trucks, they should be capable of towing down unpaved roads and they should be tested under these conditions.

Ford's "loose" handling on the road is what helps it to really shine when the work gets rough and dirty

I'm a little surprised but the GM HD's we use have been great I just didn't think they would measure up to the new Ram.

"Well diesel truck drivers have always been competitive family. Lately some of my buddys disown my Duramax and me. I guess its because, I just kinda left them sit n. Lord I guess I'm just carrying on that Duramax tradition. Don't ask me Chase what do you think when you leave me in a cloud of smoke. Why did I have to go and buy a Power Stroke. Over and over my Duramax keeps on winning, so if you drive a Cummins you better start run n it's a Duramax tradition."

Ladies and gentlemen The Duramax song!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8bOqTcEKLE

@All1, ""If you say something can tow more then it should be ABLE to handle that extra weight just as well as the lesser rated trucks handle theirs." YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!"Most of the issues we had with this 2015 Super Duty had to do with ride quality and interior design. Sure, you can discount the latter to individual taste, but our test vehicle struggled in places the other two did not, suffering from "the jitters" over expansion joints or small potholes in uncomfortable ways (particularly on the bad highways north of Flagstaff, Ariz.). We'd also like to see the F-350 do less squatting and less "butt-dragging" when loaded or towing. It's a characteristic that exists across the entire lineup. Additionally, the interior is not aging well, especially when compared to the levels both GM and Ram HD are playing at nowadays."

@All1
"If it (RAM 3500)were able to tow more then wouldn't it be able to easily outdo the other two in those two tests?


"What I am trying to get through to you is that if a truck is rated to tow more than another truck then if it really has that ability to tow that extra weight then it should perform the same even when towing more weight. A Ram Hemi should be able to tow 90% of its rated weight up that same hill just as fast a Ram Pentastar would towing 90% of its rated weight even though the Hemi is towing more weight. That is the whole point of a rating system and if a truck is rated to tow more then it should be able to tow more just as easily as a lesser rated truck at the same percentage of it's rating. As we seen in the 250/2500 Challenge, just because a truck is RATED to tow more does not mean it has the ABILITY to tow more."

Are you for real All1?

Of course they are able to tow and carry 100% of the weight they are rated for. They are going to be slower.
That's why PUTC loaded RAM 2500 HEMI 6.4 MDS with 3000 lbs more and RAM 3500 with 840 lbs more than Chevy and 280 lbs more than Ford second week for this test to make RAM slower.

http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2014/08/2014-ultimate-hd-challenge-one-ton-overview.html

You must be from flat Florida never leaving the city and never see Semitruck pulling heavy load uphill. Of course he is able to do that
It's jusy slower. Which part of this basic information you don't understand.
I'll give you an example. My wife minivan can tow just 500 lbs. , but it's much faster up to any hill than your F 150 ecoboost with programmer. Should I say your track is not able to handle the load as good as my wife minivan? You are not going to switch to minivan, same way like Semitruck guy is not going to switch to RAM and RAM customer is not going to switch to Ford.


@Hemi V8

It is funny that you post that seeing the the Ram 3500 had the most squat. The only reason the F350 was down lower because initial bed height was much lower than the other two.

Ford F350
unloaded bed height: 35.25
loaded bed height: 32.13
difference: 3.62

GM 3500
unloaded bed height: 37.5
loaded bed height: 34.25
difference: 3.25

Ram 3500
unloaded bed height: 39.5
loaded bed height: 34.75
difference: 4.75


@zviera

Sorry, I didn't even get passed you saying my name. Actually what am I saying. I am really not sorry, but was just trying to be nice. But hey, keep posting and maybe someday I will actually read what you have to say. It won't be anytime soon, but miracles do happen.

@All1
Maybe you would stop asking stupit questions , if you just read my answer to you. Otherwise we have to read your spam over and over again.

@all1
Where does it show the squatting measurements?

@ kevin jeeves


After the last paragraph before the last four pictures it says To download an image with all the results of each event, their corresponsonding scores, and our judges' totals, click here."

Click the link.

The days of a HD truck is no longer, all they care is about how smooth the truck will ride. It's a truck, long live the SFA.

@all1
Thanks

Dodge Dominates the truck pull series with Cummins power.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkFHbNWmlmA

Where is the power stroke?

Yes, yes. Post videos of highly modified trucks where the amount of modifications and power they have depends on the size of the wallet of the owner to validate your reasoning of which truck tows more. Funny thing is that I expected such a response. I am guessing you will be posting fire recalls next as if it has any validity in the argument?

I got my toes in the water, ass in the sand
Not a worry in the world, a cold beer in my hand
Guts, Glory, Ram!

What argument? Ram wins H.D. Hemi 6.4. Ford loses one ton shoot out. No argument here.

@ Mark Williams

I have a question.

In the Milan Dragway portion of the test, you hooked up each truck to a 15,920 lb trailer (15,960 lbs for the GM) to run a 0-60 test. In that test the Ford did it in 23.08 seconds, the GM did it in 26.65 seconds, and the Ram did it in 28.16 seconds. That 15,920 lbs trailer was only 67% of the Ford's rated tow weight, 68% of the Ram's rated tow weight, and 70% of the GM's rated tow weight.

If I am not mistaken, one of the requirements for the J2807 is that each truck has to pull their rated tow weight from 0-60 in less than 30 seconds.

My question is this. If it took the Ram over 28 seconds to tow only 68%(15,920lbs) of it's rated weight, then how can it tow the additional 7,340 lbs that it is supposedly J2807 rated for with less than 2 seconds to spare? In fact, all of them would look a little off. Am I correct that the 0-60 requirement is 30 seconds?

@All1, I think you should man up and apologize to the Ram nation for spewing all your Bull$#!^ about Ram payloads and sagging coil springs. These test recently conducted by PUTC proved you and Lou were dead wrong and just slandering the Ram brand because you are a Ford fanboi. So how about it All1.
You going to man up?

@ Hemi V8

Apologies for what? The Rams coil springs sqauted more than the Ford and GMs leaf springs by over an inch which is PUTC gave GM 100 points, Ford 90 points, and Ram 68 points in the squat test. Look at the data. - http://blogs.cars.com/files/hd_1t_allcharts32.jpg

You, Big Horn, and Zviera going to apologies for all the misinformed BS you guys spread? So what thinks you make I would return the favor?

@All1, " None of the other trucks sagged as much as the F-250, which showed a pronounced droop in the rear end when loaded. "

"We'd also like to see the F-350 do less squatting and less "butt-dragging" when loaded or towing."

I did read it. :-(



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