2014 Annual Physical: Wrap-Up

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We know this type of segment test is different from some of our more comprehensive comparisons of the past, and that's intentional. We're trying to make this annual truck roundup an opportunity to collect data that will act as a benchmark, or a resource (if you will), for anyone interested in buying or researching a truck, whether to settle an argument, offer help to a neighbor or use as some ammo when heading to a dealership.

We need to know what type of testing you think is most useful, and what kind of data from the trucks you want us to collect. We're planning on making this an annual event (that's why we've called this one the Beta test), so your input in crucial.

If you want us (and our Annual Physical) to be taken seriously by the truckmakers, you'll need to be clear and specific about what data you want from us. However, keep in mind we are only human and have limited resources. But you can bet that if the manufacturers see how interested you are about truck testing, they'll be more likely to get us the vehicles we'll need for next year's event, so don't be shy. As if you ever are. As was the case this year, it's always a little tricky convincing a few of the truck representatives that they need to get us the right vehicles for our special events. Helping us make that pitch would be great.

Let us know what you think and what you want to see by writing your (realistic and respectful) comments below. There's no guarantee we'll be able to pull off your requests, but we'll thoroughly consider every comment submitted and make as much of it happen as is reasonable. We may even ask you to take a week off from work and come give us a hand. More to come.


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The Full Report:

Overview | Acceleration | Braking | Fuel Economy | Wrap-up


Very informing. It's unfortunate that we didn't see the Ram with the Pentastar 3.6 and Ford's V6's. That would have made it more interesting if they were a little more ambitious about participating.
I'm surprised the Sierra 4X4 outperformed the Silverado with 2WD in acceleration and efficiency.
It will be interesting to see next year (if not much sooner) how the current (including 2015 F-150, next-gen Titan if possible) '1/2 ton' trucks stack up against each other. Look forward to seeing another mid-size comparison and heavy duty comparison again too.

I know it might be hard to pull off but I would like to see some towing data. Not a huge tow load but lets say I want to take my UTV and some equipment on a trip. That is the extent of my towing anymore and would like to downsize. Maybe around 3000 pounds.

It would have been interesting to see how the 2015 Ford 2.7 stacked up against these trucks.

I would love a Ram with a diesel, however, I dont have anywhere near the income to purchase one just yet (or ever at this point). I would like to see them send you a plain Jane test model, like a Tradesmen or Express that is pretty basic without all the bells and whistles and lower price. Great work guys, keep it up.
Also, i kinda would like to see the various Ram cab configurations and the two different rear ends tested against each other.
Also, given Ram has technically two v6 engines, why was the gasser not included?
great job, always enjoy the read.

The stats are great, but I think a so-called "Quick Review" of the trucks concerning the trucks ride, handling, day-to-day livability, comfort, etc. would be helpful in addition to these tests.

You need the pentastsar in this, if you couldn't get one from the manufacturer you needed to rent or borrow one.

This is a truck comparison, every test needs to be repeated with a load in the bed and towing a load.

Ram makes a great truck but if that thing really has a payload rating of 500 lbs they need to be ashamed of themselves and you should be calling them out for that in every article published here. A truck the size of the ram 1500, especially with air springs, should have an absolute minimal payload rating of 1600-1700 lbs.

With the Ram weighing in at over 1100 pounds more than the next heaviest truck, it is easier to understand how it could be such low speed times and long stopping distances.

good test. All I can say is make sure you have all the trucks in it so we can get a good comparison. We all can agree that any truck comparison is lame when you are missing a couple of the most popular options. I would rather wait a month or two and see the ram with gas v6 and the ford v6s as part of the test.

Holy moly, the Ram only has 490 lbs available payload. I've never seen a "truck" have a payload rating that low.

@Mark Williams - I'm with Ricky, some personal (even if biased) feedback on the vehicles ride and drive, along with interior, would be helpful.

Even more useful, however, for next years tests, would be to duplicate the test loop carrying 75% payload and 75% tow capacity (70%, 80%, whatever). Something similar to what you have done in the HD tests. That would provide very useful information for pickup truck buyers that actually need a pickup truck.

Unfortunately, what we have in this beta test is only useful if you use your truck as a passenger vehicle, in which case, there are much better alternatives to a pickup truck.

Overall I look forward to next years test.

@Mileage Man and @Ford850 The Ram Trucks website shows the payload for the EcoDiesel ranging from 1100 pounds and change to almost 1500 pounds depending on configuration. Could be worse I imagine, but I agree that still leaves more to be desired. That should be enough to accommodate needed tongue weight but that doesn't allow a whole lot after passengers and stuff.

This kind of test makes sense since most buyers will cross-shop all of the V6 trucks with low end tow/haul capacity.

The Ecoboost 3.5 even though it is a V6 would be overkill in this shootout. I doubt that a truck buyer would cross-shop that engine to any in this test other than the Ecodiesel.

How about the next test based on tow ratings? Every truck with the same tow rating gets put in the same test.

I would like to see some subjective data like ride quality, fit/finish, comfort etc. and even an opinion on "feel".

I'd like to see a small load in each truck and towing a light trailer.

If the test is repeated with trucks with larger capacity numbers, the tow/haul portion should be adjusted appropriately.

BLang, the link to the Ram window sticker is in the article. GVW Rating - 6,950 Pounds. The trucks total weight is listed as 6460. 6950 - 6460 = 490lbs payload.

The RAM diesel is a sweetheart of a truck, but like my former girlfriend it needs to lose a little weight!

Putting it another way, the GM twins deserve some respect for the great job GM engineers did in keeping their chassis strong enough for half ton truck duty, while reducing weight.

If a guy did a lot of Interstate driving the RAM would be a serious contender. Even with the hemi, it's a strong value.

Why did RAM even bother sending a truck with a 500 pound payload? That is a complete joke. Four adults and a tongue weight of just 500 pounds and the truck is WAY overloaded. The new GM Canyon and Colorado will handle that and laugh while doing it.

My wife's Audi A4 has nearly 350 pounds more payload at 880 pounds! (1) RAM i know you read these posts...upgrade the coil springs in the 1500 to real coil springs or you WILL lose sales to anyone who is actually going to use their truck for work and (2) Hopefully you didn't make the same mistake in the RAM 2500 with the rear coils. If they exhibit the same sagging and weakness as the 1500's, no one will give two hoots about a HEMi 6.4.

in 2008 I went to buy a dump truck made by gm. It had a diesel, it was gorgeous but the gvwr was under 12000lb. so with the steel dump body already installed the payload was less than a ton!!! yeah I was really disappointed. I showed the dealer this fact and they were baffled. I offered them 25k lol it was 39k on sale with 8k miles. two weeks later they called back and said they would accept NO LIE!!!! I didn't buy it. I already made a purchase on a used work truck that would do the same duty as that chevy and haul more legally!

point being the ram is worthless! ram knows this, they don't care. they are sending these trucks out as fast as they can. they will fix this gvwr catastrophe just a gm did in 2011 when the gvwr jumped over half ton more. question is when ram will get back to reality with building a reliable truck. these new ones have too many innovations all integrated, and all unproven to be reliable for more than a decade. maybe chevy and ford are guilty of the same as well. but for the amount of trucks they sell the reliability is extremely better. I really wanted to buy a ram and enjoy the 8 speed and the fuel economy of gas v6, but I cant bring myself to purchase a vehicle I don't trust will be reliable. that is what a truck is meant to be. I have worked on too many gm products with a few hundred thousand miles, that ran like a clock. I cant say that about my own dodge ram or any others I have come across. im sorry I really like the ram but its too big of a joke with a gvwr that isn't enough to legally carry what a truck is meant to carry. sure you can go buy a one ton diesel but if you don't like returning to the dealer on a monthly basis for warranty work and having break downs its not for you.

Take rates on each of these trucks would be very interesting to know, mostly because it would help everyone (yourselves included) understand what consumers seemed to prefer in whichever truck they're buying.

Cross-shop stats would help too - instead of trying to compare a Tacoma to a diesel Ram, you could put each truck up against it's most popular competitor.

@Ford850, I notice the window sticker shows the GVWR, but not the Curb weight. I only see where PUTC published the curb weight, it must be a mistake because that is up there in HD territory as far as curb weight goes. Per Ram's website that truck with those same specs has a payload of 1,115 pounds: http://www.ramtrucks.com/en/towing_guide/tow_chart/
So the correct curb weight for that particular Ram with the EcoDiesel should be 5,835 lbs.

@Scott This truck didn't have coil springs, so that's not an issue. Either PUTC made a mistake publishing the weight or Ram is severely underrating these trucks. They have the same or higher GAWR to the F150

@newbrandonyork You have literally no basis for whining about Ram reliability. Their reliability is on par or better than all of their competition in the present.


880 is the listed payload on the Ram website with premium options and 4x4. Now read the fine print. That's the best case scenario properly equipped.*

You have to take off for options which will lower the payload from 200 to 400 lbs. Hence bringing you right around to what PUTC listed at 490 lb. There was no mistake. The only mistake was by those thinking the EcoDisel can actually haul or tow something.

Best possible payloads with a ED crewcab and 4x4 will be 850 to 1200 lbs properly equippped, meaning you have to take off for options. Actual payloads will be 500 to 1000 at best.

I don't know how in tarnation Ram is saying you can tow 8,200 lbs with this thing.

@Tom L ... what options would weigh 200 to 400 lbs on top of what a Laramie Longhorn already has?

I don't know but I know you have to take off a few hundred lbs from whatever is on the website. On the webiste they only consider stanard equipment or premium. If it starts at 880, I would I know to stay away because the actual rating will be much less.

This one has air suspension, brake controller, tonneau cover, sunroof, rear defroster, side steps, etc. etc. If it starts at 880, it is not going to be very high after the extra options are added.

Everything after optional euipment gets take off the website listed payloads. From the "window sticker" Monroney:

Exterior Color: Bright Silver Metallic Clear Coat Exterior Paint
Interior Color: Canyon Brown / Light Frost Beige Interior Colors
Interior: Premium Filigree Leather Seats
Engine: 3.0-Liter V6 Turbo Diesel Engine
Transmission: 8-Speed TorqueFlite Auto Trans 8HP70

Remote Start System
32-Gallon Fuel Tank
ParkView™ Rear Back-up Camera
ParkSense® Front / Rear Park Assist System
Trailer Tow with 4-Pin Connector Wiring
7 Pin Wiring Harness
Class IV Receiver Hitch
Power Adjustable Pedals with Memory
Security Alarm
Electric Shift-On-Demand Transfer Case
Full Length Premium Floor Console
Longhorn Interior Accents
Premium Leather-Wrapped Steering Wheel
Luxury Front and Rear Floor Mats
Premium Navigation
A/C Auto Temperature Control with Dual Zone Control
Ventilated Front Seats
Heated Front Seats
Heated Second-Row Seats
Heated Steering Wheel
LED Interior Lighting
Integrated Voice Command with Bluetooth®
SiriusXM Satellite Radio w/ 1-Yr Radio Subscription
For More Information, Call 800-643-2112
HD Radio
8.4-Inch Touch Screen Display
Uconnect® Access
1 Year Trial (Registration Required)
For Details, Go to DriveUconnect.com
Roadside Assistance and 9-1-1 Call
Media Hub (DS, USB, Aux, Charge Only USB)
Pwr 10-Way Driver Seat w/Memory&Pwr 6-Way Pass Seat
Power Lumbar Adjust
9 Amplified Speakers with Subwoofer
Memory for Radio, Driver’s Seat, Mirrors and Pedals
115-Volt Auxiliary Power Outlet
Bright Door Entry Guards by Mopar®
Tow Hooks
Spray in Bedliner
Bi-Function Halogen Projector Chrome Headlamps
P275/60R20 BSW All Season Tires
20-Inch x 9-Inch Alum Polished/Gold Inserts Wheels
Dual Rear Exhaust with Bright Tips
Power Multi-Function Mirrors with Manual Fold-Away
Premium Tail Lamps

Customer Preferred Package 28K
Convenience Group $495
Automatic High Beam Headlamp Control
Keyless Enter ’n Go™
Rain Sensitive Windshield Wipers
Monotone Paint
20-Inch x 9-Inch Aluminum Polished / Silver Inserts
Body-Color Fender Flares
Bright Front Bumper
Bright Rear Bumper
Chrome Tubular Side Steps
Tri-Fold Tonneau Cover $500
3.0-Liter V6 Turbo Diesel Engine $2,850
800-Amp Maintenance Free Battery
GVW Rating - 6,950 Pounds
Selective Catalytic Reduction (UREA-DEF)
230-Amp Alternator
26-Gallon Fuel Tank
"3.0L Diesel" Badge
3.55 Rear Axle Ratio
Rear Window Defroster $150
Power Sunroof $995
Air Suspension, 4-Corner $1,595
Trailer Brake Control $230
TOTAL PRICE: * $56,640

Thank You GM trucks you wim Agaim !!

It looks like the GMC is the best compromise between the V6's here. It has decent power, decent mpg, and decent payload capacity.

This test does show that the Tacoma and Frontier are woefully outdated.

880 MAX from the website:
-100 sunroof
-100 tonneau and side steps
-100 air suspension
-100 misc.
480 actual payload

480 - 300 lbs for passengers = 180 lb payload

10% tongue weight means you can't even haul a 2000 lb trailer. No cargo either.

You can't even load up 4 adults. If you are by yourself you may be able to haul a few bags of groceries.

What is it good for?

Surprising bit of info for me when comparing the two GM trucks, is the GMC which had 4WD and a 3:42 axle ratio and had better acceleration performance, also beat the Chevy 2WD with a 3:23 axle ratio in economy. To begin with, usually having either a lower axle ratio or 4WD would lower economy. But an extra $3300 for 4WD would trump any economic need to get the 10th of a mile better fuel economy though. But what this tells me, a 2WD with the 3:42 axle ratio might be the ticket though. That axle combo with the transmission gearing must be optimal for the way that V6 is tuned…

I think there are other ways to get your hands on some other vehicles other than just from the manufacturers. Like friends, rentals or even using your website to find owners to lend their vehicles or even themselves as added help for testing.

Even though these trucks aren’t HD’s, we truck owners still would use them to tow our classic cars, U-Haul’s or just your average utility trailer. Would be good to get some stats on how this truck segment would handle common everyday loads an average consumer would haul on the weekend.
Great test though, with the current move to more efficiency its good to see test results from this category.

Many are right that a pickup needs a trailer and payload test.Many are still confused with GVW and Towing capacity two totally different things. As many have said there are other way to get all the trucks for these tests. It would be more informative to have all V6 trucks for a fair comparison.

Great article, I have a 2014 V6 GMC Sierra 1500 and I concur with your findings. This truck seems to have the stiffest frame and the quietest ride of any I have owned. Great truck !!

I would like this to be a message to the manufacturers of V6 pu. People look to these engines for the fuel economy- not towing, payload, or quickness down the straights. This segment goes fishing, hunting, camping, or is a light weight delivery/service vehicle. This shows just exactly why domestic manufacturers left the midsize market- you can buy a full-size pu that has equivalent fuel economy to a midsize with a v6. GM needs to impress with the Colorado/Canyon fuel economy. If the V6 numbers on those trucks is in this pack - they will fail. Next year we will (hopefully) get that comparison.

One thing that sticks out to me in this test is that the automakers sent what I would call "lifestyle" vehicles that an older person (or couple) would purchase for an active lifestyle of taking gear to the field for recreation of some sort or cruising down to the home improvement warehouse for a weekend warrior project. This test is informative as to the capability of the V6 light duty truck, but it doesn't provide any data as to maneuverability (turning radius) or even performance like a double lane change to simulate accident avoidance. Looking at the variations of platforms in this comparison, it would be nice for consumers to understand the differences between the unibody Ridgeline, the country Cadillac Dodge Laramie, the midsize Nissan/Toyota, and the full size GM twins impact performance in the real world. It was mentioned that the AWD made a huge improvement in performance with the torquey EcoDiesel dodge, but I don't see anything as to how the front drive chassis layout of the Ridgeline impacted performance compared to the rear drivers on the long stretches of dirt road (oversteer vs understeer). Also, their is no mention of the layout of the interior controls which can be annoying to some buyers especially in the GM twins with the transfer case controls located by the headlight switch and both knobs look the same. In all, this is a good start. More would be better.

I am a new truck buyer with no loyalties to one company. I want the best truck that I can afford. I like to see more comparisons by categories. People's truck are different thing to different people. These trucks are work trucks, luxury vehicles ( cowboy Cadillac), sport utility vehicles, daily commuters (people carriers) and project vehicles.

Performance for 0-60 mph, braking, traction and handling is a must. Towing and hauling are important. Interior design is subjective but would like to get detailed information about the functionality of these new nav systems.

After all my research, I'm getting the ram 1500 sport. In the two years I've been looking for a truck, I went from ford to tundra back to ram then gmc then back to ram. Ultimately it was cost. Ram was $3-$4k less then the rest when comparing features to features. Everybody's comments helped as well. My biggest concern was reliability with the ram. I feel better after reading the comments.

You commented you would like suggestions for tests with different vehicles. I really believe a great test would be to load every pick-up with there max payload and trailer load. a very good run would be to start at Seattle Washington, go up I 90, to Garrison, Montana, then onto #12 to I 15 go north to Canada #4 Alberta to Lethbridge then west on the #3, you could break off and go up to Kamloops and go up the #5, then back to Seattle. It is a real world trip. None of the 2 hour drives do it in at least 5 hour runs.
I would suggest you put infered sensors on the brakes to read real time the brake temps.
We have real mountains, beware sometimes we put sharp corners at the end of a long hill, that is a genetic cull test.
Do it in August
Just a thought!

Obviously, the absence of an F-150 -- the biggest selling pickup of this type -- is significant. Hopefully the Ford folks will get enough notice to get you a truck next time.
The payload of the RAM being calculated at 450 lbs. is startling and can't be right. Four big guys in the seats and the vehicle is grossly overloaded. Someone should check with the Dodge PR folks to confirm this number before posting it. Certainly, the RAM 1500 trucks, as a group, have less payload than their counterparts from GM or Ford, but this is kind of insane.
Finally, a more apples-to-apples comparison would be to have had the Pentastar engine in the RAM. The diesel's price point puts it in another category from the rest of these trucks.

Damn good article for the stated purpose, very informative. I would like to see the 4x4's tested as well as the 4x2's in reg cab, super cab, and crew cab configs, with all the engines too :). Not sure you can do all that in one year but it would be interesting. Mixing 4x2 and 4x4 or diesel and gas in the same test is a tough comparison for a lot of reasons. But the numbers will speak for themselves.

I wonder why Fords v6's and the Pentastar v6 couldn't be found or delivered by the test dates?

I am in the market for a new truck, but don't really want a full size truck, but it appears the Taco still delivers. The prices of these trucks are getting insane!

still driving a 98 Ranger 4x4

Nissan: obsolete 5 speed automatic. VQ40 lacks variable exhaust valve timing. unacceptable dual beam headlights.
Toyota: obsolete 5 speed auto, 1gr-fe needs to be replaced by 1gr-fe+ (VVT & roller follower valvetrain), unacceptable dual beam headlights
Honda: timing belt, no variable valve timing, manually adjustable valve clearance, 5 speed automatic, dual beam headlights
GM twins: Where is the 8 speed automatic?
Dodge Ram: Go on a diet. wider ratio gearset 8 speed automatic.

I would like to see:
1. Performance
2. MPG
3. How comfy are the cabs relative to size
4. Usefulness on hauling and storage in cab
5. Towing

RAM 490 lb payload... should this vehicle even be considered a truck? Why is it in a truck shootout...lol.

0 to 60 times of a slug and that's empty.... maybe highways will have to extend merge ramps a few miles so the Rams can enter the freeway safely.

Id say the winner was the Toyota as it was consistently good in all tests and priced reasonable.

Let the Ram owners overpay for a Ram diesel and overpay at every fill up.... once they see their great purchase spend more time in the service department they will learn...Oh check out the costs to repair this Italian diesel.... get the longest warranty you can... although you could end up like the numerous Cummins owners where the dealership claims you ran improper fuel to cause the injector pump to fail.....

I used to be a die hard Mopar fan and found the truth.... quality and service is not offered with any of their products.... they will bite you hard in the end!

Good test. When the new F150 is available-please do a head to head on base V6 engine and base model (XL, Tradesman, Chevy WT or (Ford Supercab) or 4 door 4x4s. maybe a max sticker under $35k. I think if you stick to vinyl interiors etc you can do it.

For a lot of us, that is what we will buy. I was interested in the RAM ED but it has no guts. If I can't haul a couple of yards of mulch, (about 1400 lbs, and me, 170 lbs) I can't use it. Remember, ED stands for Erectile Dysfunction

Thank you!
I`s nice to see the V6 comparison. I wish Ford and the Ram Pentastar were present.
I would love to see all trucks optioned as closely as possible and full representation from all companies in the future, apple to an apple to an apple. I`m not brand loyal. I an ` Dodge Chevy and Ford guy. I recently am open to the idea of buying a Toyota or other foreign brand that I would consider before.
I`ve always said if you could take a Ford, Chevy and Dodge and build one truck from the three then you would truly have a great truck.

How about including the complexity / cost of adding an electronic brake controller?

I think the category should be limited to 1/4 ton or 3/4 sized trucks. The person shopping for a Taco is not looking at a full sized trucks.

Also, you should only include tow ratings for those with the ASE J2807.

Actually, you could run your own J2807 test and report what when wrong with the trucks that are not J2807 certified.

how about having a local who has driven trucks his whole life and owned almost every brand in the test for his opinion and take on these trucks. A plumber Joe's perspective if you will. I will volunteer for the opportunity next time you guys are in phx.
I know a lot about them since i usually test drive the new models that come out. its a hobby of mine, obviously i have too much free time sometimes !

You know, If I have to look at another Ram Laramie Longhorn...now diesel to compare to anything low priced and regular...I'm going to puke!!! Please return that Diesel, which does not belong in this test, never mind a Laramie Longhorn. If you can't see Ram is blowing you then your blind. How many tests have we seen done like this. Now on the next decent test include the Pentastar and F150 regular 3.5 Liter V6. Then if you want add the 2.7EB to the crowd, just to see how the mileage is, we know it's going to eat the competition power wise!!! My God help stop the stupid comparison's!!!

Good test. I am in the market for a truck that won't break the bank at the pump. It really shows how well the Toyota was when it was first made 10 years ago that it can do everything a light truck needs to do and do it for a good price. Too bad I can't stand the seating position with the floor beings close to the top of the seat making my knees feel like they are in my chest (not really but you get it). Also that drivers seat when set for a 6'1" driver actually slides behind the door pillar making it feel like i have to slide in and behind the door pillar in order to get in. Anyway the drive of the Tacoma is cool still feels like a light truck and acceleration is brisk for what it is. I test drove the new Colorado and Silverado the other day and was most impressed with the Colorado. The Silverado was great but it felt much bigger and the stupid trick they did with the gas pedal being so firm at the beginning I assume in an attempt to help it on EPA tests made it feel like you had to put your foot to the floor or at least more than half way down if you wanted to get going with any authority. My only concern with the Colorado was 1 the v6 did not feel as refined as the Toyo or the Nissan and as it revved it just felt flat. I know its not and it makes more power but something about it agin made it feel like you really had to put your foot into in in order to get up and go. Also in another unofficial teat another site reported MPG numbers after using the truck for a period of time as being 20.9mpg. Not that much better if you ask me. As for the GM and the Chevy in this test its obvious the 2wd GMC had the taller gear and the 4x4 Chevy had the lower gear so that could make up for the MPG diff. I was impressed with GM MPG all and all but that thing is not "fun to drive" I know everyone talks about pulling and payload and all that but most people who buy a v6 truck not all but most want it as a lifestyle truck as in pull something every now and then put mulch or a desk or whatever in the bed but mostly run from stoplight to stoplight on the way to work or take a dirt road to a camping spot or whatever so to me fun to drive and good MPG tops the list. It is a shame we couldn't see what the ram with the v6 would have done. I have heard it can do 21mpg consistently.

enjoy these tests, want to see in no particular order:

ride and handling
tow and haul and how they feel under load
fit and finish
previous reliability numbers
maybe some 4x4 use

I'm and car and truck guy, love them both. First truck 1987 toyota SR5, with 113 horsepower. Then 2002 Tundra V6 190 horsepower. Now 2014 Ram Hemi with 400 horspower! (all trucks 4x4) Gets same mileage as my 5 speed V6 Tundra with double horses mostly due to 8 speed tranny, incredible!! I just had to have the Hemi, what can I say? Chrysler has upped their game, interiors, features, workmanship. Yeah, their record was/is weak over years with reliability, but I went for it anyways after talking for people and research, we'll see what happens.

I think most of us know that these trucks are boulevard street cruisiers a lot of the time. But we all know what and when we need capabilities. So we buy based upon that. I personally would never buy a $50-$60,000 1500 truck with every option level checked that makes it like a sedan, but some obviously do, and only ever put a couch in the back or other light use. Sounds like this Ram is ok for them, I needed more, so my Ram has much higher payload and can tow my r/v trailer. I looked hard at Toyota crewcab long bed, but needed a bit more power to tow my trailer. Bottom line, trucks are excellent tools, and they have become ridiculously opulent in some cases, buy what you want, cheers!

For me I'd need to see what it could pull before I spend money like that. If I buy a truck I'm going to use it to tow and haul. Granted I'd use more than this to do what I do, but this could be another vehicle for my smaller trailers. If not I'll pull a 10 foot utility trailer with my Dually, because why not?

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